I think a better approach, is to analyse whether, competition has increased? (most likely) and whether there are more players participating in events, more players willing to part with 10 bucks a month for the campaigns etc, which also leads to potentially better competitive bonus crew in their rosters?
Is it therefore a case where the ranked rewards need to be expanded again say from 1500 to 2000?
Will it make it any better or worse? There has been a lot of recent changes that have had a significant impact on events.
Discuss...
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Yes it is very millennial. I don’t want to have to work harder than the next guy to succeed. Hard work pays off y’all. And if by decaying resources he meant they dwindle over time. Yeah, see how happy the players would be about that. That concept defeats the entire strategy of the game
There's that word. Work.
It's a game. Effort is one thing, work is quite another.
When I do something like archery, I put in effort, and it's enjoyable. If it was work, I'd want some form of recompense as it would be less enjoyable.
I'm with Ren that, in that to compete, being active for most of the duration should be the exception, not the rule.
Some perspective - we're playing to win some pixels, not save lives.
This weekend I'll be spending most of Saturday drinking craft ales and dancing til the early hours with friends, laughing, joking and generally feeling happy.
Wouldn't swap that for 5 of any card in this game.
It’s not like putting forth that kind of effort is an every weekend thing. I only put forth that kind of effort every few months. if That were the case then yeah, I see issues but if you pick your battles, because you can’t have everything, then you’re not going to need hospitalization. You have to come to terms with the fact that you’re not going to be competitive every single week. This could be where our debate disconnect is. There’s no way I would do that every weekend. I take way more weekends off than I do in going hard after the crew
And her event re-run bonus value isn t too big as well, since i doubt we will see another event, where all Disco crew is bonus again.
This has been said before, and yet here we are.
It looks like they've tailored the Disco megas to account for the sheer amount of cards now with it being heavy on the Faction, thus ensuring anyone wanting top 1.5 is going to have to burn through some shuttle tokens.
And I'm not sure we're at the point of insane competitiveness just yet - in the first week I was unable to play much as I was on holiday, finished just outside the 1500 band after being top 50 before I flew out, having scorched through shuttle tokens to be able to hit at least all thresholds. I honestly expected to have dropped out of the 1500 inside 48 hours as I was only able to fire out shuttles occasionally.
So I wouldn't assume that this is the last all-Disco-crew event, some of us made that assumption last time!
I'm aware that this game encourages a hoarder mentality but honestly that's not good when players are allowed to stockpile 100k+ chronitons, hundreds of shuttle boosts and tokens. Nowadays you need to save stuff for months to be able to get more than 1 copy of a gold card, and when it's time to burn through your stash, you need to be on 18h+ a day. In addition to be bad for the game, it's completely unhealthy.
Of course the reward structure is mostly to blame, only the top 0.15% get a gold and the top 0.025% players get some extra goodies so the only options are sitting out of the event, 20h attendance for a single gold or going all in 18h a day for 4 days.
If the rewards were less top-heavy then people wouldn't freak out as soon as they get out of the top 25, would relax a bit and participate more often but not as intensively.
We are allowed to stockpile? As opposed to what?
Instant gratification – you know, millennial mentality
(I say this with affection, because I tease my daughter with that phrase all the time and she's mid-20s)
but seriously, there are times it is good to be able to hoard and not really play as much, and other times you just want that dang prize NOW!! I am fairly sure we have all been at both ends of that spectrum...
Yes it is very millennial. I don’t want to have to work harder than the next guy to succeed. Hard work pays off y’all. And if by decaying resources he meant they dwindle over time. Yeah, see how happy the players would be about that. That concept defeats the entire strategy of the game
Except that is not millennial at all. Just what the propaganda about millennials say because each older generation insults and complains about the younger and the older generations no not want to admit that income inequality has never been higher, good paying jobs with benefits have never been fewer and that millennials and the ones after them are the first to have less than their parents since the great depression.
As far as the event goes, it was very grindy but I do not mind on skirmish events because u get more stuff the more u grind. I worked hard to get my highest rank on a skirmish ever 83 and the most points I had done by 300,000. I would have liked to have gotten top 75 but I am happy with my results because it was the best I could do and I earned about 25,000 in honor.
And her event re-run bonus value isn t too big as well, since i doubt we will see another event, where all Disco crew is bonus again.
This has been said before, and yet here we are.
It looks like they've tailored the Disco megas to account for the sheer amount of cards now with it being heavy on the Faction, thus ensuring anyone wanting top 1.5 is going to have to burn through some shuttle tokens.
And I'm not sure we're at the point of insane competitiveness just yet - in the first week I was unable to play much as I was on holiday, finished just outside the 1500 band after being top 50 before I flew out, having scorched through shuttle tokens to be able to hit at least all thresholds. I honestly expected to have dropped out of the 1500 inside 48 hours as I was only able to fire out shuttles occasionally.
So I wouldn't assume that this is the last all-Disco-crew event, some of us made that assumption last time!
I'm aware that this game encourages a hoarder mentality but honestly that's not good when players are allowed to stockpile 100k+ chronitons, hundreds of shuttle boosts and tokens. Nowadays you need to save stuff for months to be able to get more than 1 copy of a gold card, and when it's time to burn through your stash, you need to be on 18h+ a day. In addition to be bad for the game, it's completely unhealthy.
Of course the reward structure is mostly to blame, only the top 0.15% get a gold and the top 0.025% players get some extra goodies so the only options are sitting out of the event, 20h attendance for a single gold or going all in 18h a day for 4 days.
If the rewards were less top-heavy then people wouldn't freak out as soon as they get out of the top 25, would relax a bit and participate more often but not as intensively.
We are allowed to stockpile? As opposed to what?
Instant gratification – you know, millennial mentality
(I say this with affection, because I tease my daughter with that phrase all the time and she's mid-20s)
but seriously, there are times it is good to be able to hoard and not really play as much, and other times you just want that dang prize NOW!! I am fairly sure we have all been at both ends of that spectrum...
Yes it is very millennial. I don’t want to have to work harder than the next guy to succeed. Hard work pays off y’all. And if by decaying resources he meant they dwindle over time. Yeah, see how happy the players would be about that. That concept defeats the entire strategy of the game
Except that is not millennial at all. Just what the propaganda about millennials say because each older generation insults and complains about the younger and the older generations no not want to admit that income inequality has never been higher, good paying jobs with benefits have never been fewer and that millennials and the ones after them are the first to have less than their parents since the great depression.
Unemployment has been low for a record amount of time since 2008. The stock market has been relentlessly climbing that whole time besides brief small dips. Milennials and genZ have had the best opportunity since those employed right after the great depression to grow their wealth for the past decade.
My parents never flew anywhere their whole lives, yet my brother used some of his student loan combined with summer work savings for a vacation to Cuba during University before even starting his career. There is a higher expectation now for what is an "average" standard of life, so we point at inequality as if that was always the average standard of living. If my brother and I had invested every penny possible during/after university/college just indexing, we'd both be wealthy by now. Unfortunately we were not that smart!
WEALTH inequality is significantly exaggerated because of a very few people who took huge risk and/or dedicated massive hours of their lives to start/grow a company to where it is today, and retained significant ownership of that company. This is not the same as SALARY inequality, which has not grown as significantly as you may think. Significant wealth growth can even be accomplished by someone in the low-middle class who is frugal and invests heavily, particularly if they are willing to relocate and/or or learn a new career if they get stuck. The internet can give you any information you need.
Why is wealth so concentrated in so few companies/owners? Because the consumer decided they want those products. We used to have more variety of brand names and products in department stores, but now people want more of the same. You could argue that marketing drove more people to buy certain brands, but we always had a choice to listen to marketing or not.
It’s not like putting forth that kind of effort is an every weekend thing. I only put forth that kind of effort every few months. if That were the case then yeah, I see issues but if you pick your battles, because you can’t have everything, then you’re not going to need hospitalization. You have to come to terms with the fact that you’re not going to be competitive every single week. This could be where our debate disconnect is. There’s no way I would do that every weekend. I take way more weekends off than I do in going hard after the crew
Which is fine, but lets not forget these games come with nudges, dark patterns, etc, etc.
This one probably less than most, but lets not kid ourselves that's down to anything but limitations of the current platform, but they're there.
Me, you, others, have developed immunity, ennui or gotten wise to at least some of them, not everyone does.
There's going to be some kid, desperate to get that achievement, who'll push themselves. Just as there's that one who'll rattle through their birthday money on a Tuesday pack.
Now I'm a big fan of rights being balanced with responsibilities, and as something of a capitalist, I firmly believe DB have every right to make a profit within the limits of the law. I also believe they have a responsibility to players not to take the Mickey Bliss.
Events, as they are, have crossed over that line by dint of how the game has evolved, rather than any real intent on DB's part. It's probably a good time for them to start casting an eye over how to improve things, out of self-interest if nothing else, because eventually - possibly within the games lifespan - governments and regulators will start to do things as angry parents and grown-up millennials are voters too.
I'd like to give my two cents as someone who's won three of the last four Skirmish events.
-To DB: You *should* (read:need to) reduce the grind of skirmish events. There's a chance that somebody will be hospitalized trying to win one of your events and that is not hyperbole. This last event took ~72 of 96 hours grinding with a near-optimal setup at a nearly non-stop pace. If it wasn't me, it would be someone else - in fact there were two scores over 11 million.
And frankly, you can't detect most cheating. I've been told by more than one player that they've used a macro without consequence. The #2 finisher in one of the recent skirmishes said he had a family member playing for him on his account while he slept. As long as the system is designed as a massive time sink, people will cheat to get around it.
My experience of "winning" these events has ranged from feeling like garbage physically to getting lots of snide comments and cheating accusations, because players don't have faith in DB to police that. I understand making time the limiting factor in order to sell packs, but please consider to what degree that should be and the harm that it can do in this situation.
-To players: It's a four day competitive event, not a guaranteed handout legendary crew. Nobody is owed a copy of the crew that they're trying to market/sell to run their business. If someone walked into a Faction event without good bonus crew or boosts and complained about not getting the rank they wanted, they'd be laughed at.
With the right setup, thresholds can be done in two hours and rank 1500 done in six (along with an average of 10k honor and 2/3rds of your chrons refunded). If your roster isn't at that point yet, then you have the option of playing as long as you need to get the rank you want, which makes Skirmish more forgiving than Factions in that regard. Investing in the right ship(s) and crew is important for this event type, because generally you will use the same three crew in every single Skirmish and because you get rewarded the more you participate in the event.
I'd like to see the grind reduced somewhat (especially at the top), but if that doesn't happen then you can either choose to not engage with the event, or improve your own situation.
To one of @Automaton_2000 ’s points, I skirmished for 1-2 hours per day over the 4 days, usually watching sports on TV, and finished 1252nd. It all depends on the ship & crew setup, IMO.
Peace, y’all. 🖖
P.S.: @Banjo1012 , I will most likely be freezing 4* Zora next week.
"In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
To one of @Automaton_2000 ’s points, I skirmished for 1-2 hours per day over the 4 days, usually watching sports on TV, and finished 1252nd. It all depends on the ship & crew setup, IMO.
Peace, y’all. 🖖
P.S.: @Banjo1012 , I will most likely be freezing 4* Zora next week.
and i grinded (ground?) for maybe three hours each day but quit after ship battle 4 so i would get more rewards but stay under 1500, airlocked the 3 copes of new burnham, and now i'm only 7000 honor away from another cite and don't have another 3/4 or 1/5 sitting around
And her event re-run bonus value isn t too big as well, since i doubt we will see another event, where all Disco crew is bonus again.
This has been said before, and yet here we are.
It looks like they've tailored the Disco megas to account for the sheer amount of cards now with it being heavy on the Faction, thus ensuring anyone wanting top 1.5 is going to have to burn through some shuttle tokens.
And I'm not sure we're at the point of insane competitiveness just yet - in the first week I was unable to play much as I was on holiday, finished just outside the 1500 band after being top 50 before I flew out, having scorched through shuttle tokens to be able to hit at least all thresholds. I honestly expected to have dropped out of the 1500 inside 48 hours as I was only able to fire out shuttles occasionally.
So I wouldn't assume that this is the last all-Disco-crew event, some of us made that assumption last time!
I'm aware that this game encourages a hoarder mentality but honestly that's not good when players are allowed to stockpile 100k+ chronitons, hundreds of shuttle boosts and tokens. Nowadays you need to save stuff for months to be able to get more than 1 copy of a gold card, and when it's time to burn through your stash, you need to be on 18h+ a day. In addition to be bad for the game, it's completely unhealthy.
Of course the reward structure is mostly to blame, only the top 0.15% get a gold and the top 0.025% players get some extra goodies so the only options are sitting out of the event, 20h attendance for a single gold or going all in 18h a day for 4 days.
If the rewards were less top-heavy then people wouldn't freak out as soon as they get out of the top 25, would relax a bit and participate more often but not as intensively.
We are allowed to stockpile? As opposed to what?
Instant gratification – you know, millennial mentality
(I say this with affection, because I tease my daughter with that phrase all the time and she's mid-20s)
but seriously, there are times it is good to be able to hoard and not really play as much, and other times you just want that dang prize NOW!! I am fairly sure we have all been at both ends of that spectrum...
Yes it is very millennial. I don’t want to have to work harder than the next guy to succeed. Hard work pays off y’all. And if by decaying resources he meant they dwindle over time. Yeah, see how happy the players would be about that. That concept defeats the entire strategy of the game
Except that is not millennial at all. Just what the propaganda about millennials say because each older generation insults and complains about the younger and the older generations no not want to admit that income inequality has never been higher, good paying jobs with benefits have never been fewer and that millennials and the ones after them are the first to have less than their parents since the great depression.
It’s not propaganda it’s real. The younger generation is almost unable to function in the workforce/ I had a grandfather who came to me with his granddaughter telling me how great she was and how special she was and I should hire her because she’s so smart. The entire time she did not say a word, just stared at the ground. She couldn’t even speak for herself. There’s no way I would hire her because her grandfather would have to work with her to do everything for her like he has done her whole life
And her event re-run bonus value isn t too big as well, since i doubt we will see another event, where all Disco crew is bonus again.
This has been said before, and yet here we are.
It looks like they've tailored the Disco megas to account for the sheer amount of cards now with it being heavy on the Faction, thus ensuring anyone wanting top 1.5 is going to have to burn through some shuttle tokens.
And I'm not sure we're at the point of insane competitiveness just yet - in the first week I was unable to play much as I was on holiday, finished just outside the 1500 band after being top 50 before I flew out, having scorched through shuttle tokens to be able to hit at least all thresholds. I honestly expected to have dropped out of the 1500 inside 48 hours as I was only able to fire out shuttles occasionally.
So I wouldn't assume that this is the last all-Disco-crew event, some of us made that assumption last time!
I'm aware that this game encourages a hoarder mentality but honestly that's not good when players are allowed to stockpile 100k+ chronitons, hundreds of shuttle boosts and tokens. Nowadays you need to save stuff for months to be able to get more than 1 copy of a gold card, and when it's time to burn through your stash, you need to be on 18h+ a day. In addition to be bad for the game, it's completely unhealthy.
Of course the reward structure is mostly to blame, only the top 0.15% get a gold and the top 0.025% players get some extra goodies so the only options are sitting out of the event, 20h attendance for a single gold or going all in 18h a day for 4 days.
If the rewards were less top-heavy then people wouldn't freak out as soon as they get out of the top 25, would relax a bit and participate more often but not as intensively.
We are allowed to stockpile? As opposed to what?
Instant gratification – you know, millennial mentality
(I say this with affection, because I tease my daughter with that phrase all the time and she's mid-20s)
but seriously, there are times it is good to be able to hoard and not really play as much, and other times you just want that dang prize NOW!! I am fairly sure we have all been at both ends of that spectrum...
Yes it is very millennial. I don’t want to have to work harder than the next guy to succeed. Hard work pays off y’all. And if by decaying resources he meant they dwindle over time. Yeah, see how happy the players would be about that. That concept defeats the entire strategy of the game
Except that is not millennial at all. Just what the propaganda about millennials say because each older generation insults and complains about the younger and the older generations no not want to admit that income inequality has never been higher, good paying jobs with benefits have never been fewer and that millennials and the ones after them are the first to have less than their parents since the great depression.
It’s not propaganda it’s real. The younger generation is almost unable to function in the workforce/ I had a grandfather who came to me with his granddaughter telling me how great she was and how special she was and I should hire her because she’s so smart. The entire time she did not say a word, just stared at the ground. She couldn’t even speak for herself. There’s no way I would hire her because her grandfather would have to work with her to do everything for her like he has done her whole life
Who exactly is to blame here, the granddaughter for never learning work ethic or the grandfather/parents for never teaching it effectively.
That said as someone who has worked with plenty of people of all ages at a few large corporations. There are people of all competencies at all ages, including just out of college.
I'd like to give my two cents as someone who's won three of the last four Skirmish events.
-To DB: You *should* (read:need to) reduce the grind of skirmish events. There's a chance that somebody will be hospitalized trying to win one of your events and that is not hyperbole. This last event took ~72 of 96 hours grinding with a near-optimal setup at a nearly non-stop pace. If it wasn't me, it would be someone else - in fact there were two scores over 11 million.
And frankly, you can't detect most cheating. I've been told by more than one player that they've used a macro without consequence. The #2 finisher in one of the recent skirmishes said he had a family member playing for him on his account while he slept. As long as the system is designed as a massive time sink, people will cheat to get around it.
My experience of "winning" these events has ranged from feeling like garbage physically to getting lots of snide comments and cheating accusations, because players don't have faith in DB to police that. I understand making time the limiting factor in order to sell packs, but please consider to what degree that should be and the harm that it can do in this situation.
-To players: It's a four day competitive event, not a guaranteed handout legendary crew. Nobody is owed a copy of the crew that they're trying to market/sell to run their business. If someone walked into a Faction event without good bonus crew or boosts and complained about not getting the rank they wanted, they'd be laughed at.
With the right setup, thresholds can be done in two hours and rank 1500 done in six (along with an average of 10k honor and 2/3rds of your chrons refunded). If your roster isn't at that point yet, then you have the option of playing as long as you need to get the rank you want, which makes Skirmish more forgiving than Factions in that regard. Investing in the right ship(s) and crew is important for this event type, because generally you will use the same three crew in every single Skirmish and because you get rewarded the more you participate in the event.
I'd like to see the grind reduced somewhat (especially at the top), but if that doesn't happen then you can either choose to not engage with the event, or improve your own situation.
You went completely off-topic. Let's blame lack of sleep. I don't believe anyone here asked for handouts, but you have to keep in mind that the reward structure is the very reason people go far beyond what they should be doing to get a few more copies of a legendary crew. Skirmishes are no different from any other events, galaxy have people mindlessly clicking 18h a day and factions have people at the top setting alarms every 1h30 at night which is about as bad as not sleeping at all.
When one person out of 100k gets a full card and when 25 out of 100k get more than one copy, of course it creates an immense pressure to fully commit to the grind, and with resources being limitless in practice (I've talked to people with over 150k chronitons in my fleet, some also have hundreds of time boosters), the only option is to spend as much time as possible clicking stuff over the course of 4 days, at the detriment of everyday life and menial stuff like eating well, sleeping, and probably taking showers if that's what it takes.
There aren't 150 ways to solve the pressure to get to the top and spend 90h like you did, there are two. The first one is turning tank 1 into a more prestigious rank with goodies (read: gold stars) spread out a bit more across all 1500 ranks rather than having one person taking them all, the second one is resources caps and decay.
The pressure not to fall out of top 5-25 shouldn't exist, that's far too limiting given that most people at that rank have unlimited resources, so you either have to limit resources or make people care a bit less about how high they rank because everything under 25 is a no man's land with a pity gold that you will end up airlocking eventually.
If the reward structure was different there would be incentives to rank as high as possible every week and resources would be the limiting factor, not time. It's critical to make people drain their stash every week in that kind of game or you end up with dangerous behaviours from top players and that's how you get legislators interested in your business and bad press because someone died over lack of sleep. That's not even counting the moral implications of these irresponsible design decisions.
To one of @Automaton_2000 ’s points, I skirmished for 1-2 hours per day over the 4 days, usually watching sports on TV, and finished 1252nd. It all depends on the ship & crew setup, IMO.
Peace, y’all. 🖖
P.S.: @Banjo1012 , I will most likely be freezing 4* Zora next week.
and i grinded (ground?) for maybe three hours each day but quit after ship battle 4 so i would get more rewards but stay under 1500, airlocked the 3 copes of new burnham, and now i'm only 7000 honor away from another cite and don't have another 3/4 or 1/5 sitting around
... and I immortalized 4* Fugitive Burnham and am happy with my “pity gold” FE 1/5* Vina, sitting around in Zora’s seat indefinitely if need be. Each of us plays the game our own way, and that is OK. 🖖
"In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
And her event re-run bonus value isn t too big as well, since i doubt we will see another event, where all Disco crew is bonus again.
This has been said before, and yet here we are.
It looks like they've tailored the Disco megas to account for the sheer amount of cards now with it being heavy on the Faction, thus ensuring anyone wanting top 1.5 is going to have to burn through some shuttle tokens.
And I'm not sure we're at the point of insane competitiveness just yet - in the first week I was unable to play much as I was on holiday, finished just outside the 1500 band after being top 50 before I flew out, having scorched through shuttle tokens to be able to hit at least all thresholds. I honestly expected to have dropped out of the 1500 inside 48 hours as I was only able to fire out shuttles occasionally.
So I wouldn't assume that this is the last all-Disco-crew event, some of us made that assumption last time!
I'm aware that this game encourages a hoarder mentality but honestly that's not good when players are allowed to stockpile 100k+ chronitons, hundreds of shuttle boosts and tokens. Nowadays you need to save stuff for months to be able to get more than 1 copy of a gold card, and when it's time to burn through your stash, you need to be on 18h+ a day. In addition to be bad for the game, it's completely unhealthy.
Of course the reward structure is mostly to blame, only the top 0.15% get a gold and the top 0.025% players get some extra goodies so the only options are sitting out of the event, 20h attendance for a single gold or going all in 18h a day for 4 days.
If the rewards were less top-heavy then people wouldn't freak out as soon as they get out of the top 25, would relax a bit and participate more often but not as intensively.
We are allowed to stockpile? As opposed to what?
Instant gratification – you know, millennial mentality
(I say this with affection, because I tease my daughter with that phrase all the time and she's mid-20s)
but seriously, there are times it is good to be able to hoard and not really play as much, and other times you just want that dang prize NOW!! I am fairly sure we have all been at both ends of that spectrum...
Yes it is very millennial. I don’t want to have to work harder than the next guy to succeed. Hard work pays off y’all. And if by decaying resources he meant they dwindle over time. Yeah, see how happy the players would be about that. That concept defeats the entire strategy of the game
Except that is not millennial at all. Just what the propaganda about millennials say because each older generation insults and complains about the younger and the older generations no not want to admit that income inequality has never been higher, good paying jobs with benefits have never been fewer and that millennials and the ones after them are the first to have less than their parents since the great depression.
It’s not propaganda it’s real. The younger generation is almost unable to function in the workforce/ I had a grandfather who came to me with his granddaughter telling me how great she was and how special she was and I should hire her because she’s so smart. The entire time she did not say a word, just stared at the ground. She couldn’t even speak for herself. There’s no way I would hire her because her grandfather would have to work with her to do everything for her like he has done her whole life
Who exactly is to blame here, the granddaughter for never learning work ethic or the grandfather/parents for never teaching it effectively.
That said as someone who has worked with plenty of people of all ages at a few large corporations. There are people of all competencies at all ages, including just out of college.
Yes there are but having had a large sample of employees of all ages, the work ethic is so noticeably worse. They are even changing laws and policies to cater to this. A child can be carried on your insurance until they are 26 regardless if they are a student or not, that shouldn’t be a thing but it is to cater to the helplessness, and it’s totally the grandfathers fault. A child is a clean slate to learn what you give them. I didn’t say it was all the child’s fault. I fight with my mother in law about this stuff all the time. My daughter, not yet two, wants something off the table. She goes to get it for her. I say no, let her figure out how to get it herself and she does. It may sound minor but I am trying to teach her independence. To get her cup herself. Not that someone will always come along and get it for her
I'd like to give my two cents as someone who's won three of the last four Skirmish events.
-To DB: You *should* (read:need to) reduce the grind of skirmish events. There's a chance that somebody will be hospitalized trying to win one of your events and that is not hyperbole. This last event took ~72 of 96 hours grinding with a near-optimal setup at a nearly non-stop pace. If it wasn't me, it would be someone else - in fact there were two scores over 11 million.
And frankly, you can't detect most cheating. I've been told by more than one player that they've used a macro without consequence. The #2 finisher in one of the recent skirmishes said he had a family member playing for him on his account while he slept. As long as the system is designed as a massive time sink, people will cheat to get around it.
My experience of "winning" these events has ranged from feeling like garbage physically to getting lots of snide comments and cheating accusations, because players don't have faith in DB to police that. I understand making time the limiting factor in order to sell packs, but please consider to what degree that should be and the harm that it can do in this situation.
-To players: It's a four day competitive event, not a guaranteed handout legendary crew. Nobody is owed a copy of the crew that they're trying to market/sell to run their business. If someone walked into a Faction event without good bonus crew or boosts and complained about not getting the rank they wanted, they'd be laughed at.
With the right setup, thresholds can be done in two hours and rank 1500 done in six (along with an average of 10k honor and 2/3rds of your chrons refunded). If your roster isn't at that point yet, then you have the option of playing as long as you need to get the rank you want, which makes Skirmish more forgiving than Factions in that regard. Investing in the right ship(s) and crew is important for this event type, because generally you will use the same three crew in every single Skirmish and because you get rewarded the more you participate in the event.
I'd like to see the grind reduced somewhat (especially at the top), but if that doesn't happen then you can either choose to not engage with the event, or improve your own situation.
You went completely off-topic. Let's blame lack of sleep. I don't believe anyone here asked for handouts, but you have to keep in mind that the reward structure is the very reason people go far beyond what they should be doing to get a few more copies of a legendary crew. Skirmishes are no different from any other events, galaxy have people mindlessly clicking 18h a day and factions have people at the top setting alarms every 1h30 at night which is about as bad as not sleeping at all.
When one person out of 100k gets a full card and when 25 out of 100k get more than one copy, of course it creates an immense pressure to fully commit to the grind, and with resources being limitless in practice (I've talked to people with over 150k chronitons in my fleet, some also have hundreds of time boosters), the only option is to spend as much time as possible clicking stuff over the course of 4 days, at the detriment of everyday life and menial stuff like eating well, sleeping, and probably taking showers if that's what it takes.
There aren't 150 ways to solve the pressure to get to the top and spend 90h like you did, there are two. The first one is turning tank 1 into a more prestigious rank with goodies (read: gold stars) spread out a bit more across all 1500 ranks rather than having one person taking them all, the second one is resources caps and decay.
The pressure not to fall out of top 5-25 shouldn't exist, that's far too limiting given that most people at that rank have unlimited resources, so you either have to limit resources or make people care a bit less about how high they rank because everything under 25 is a no man's land with a pity gold that you will end up airlocking eventually.
If the reward structure was different there would be incentives to rank as high as possible every week and resources would be the limiting factor, not time. It's critical to make people drain their stash every week in that kind of game or you end up with dangerous behaviours from top players and that's how you get legislators interested in your business and bad press because someone died over lack of sleep. That's not even counting the moral implications of these irresponsible design decisions.
The way I do it, well did it cuz I have a new job now, was I worked 12 hour shifts overnight as the manager. I could literally sit at my desk for 10 hours on Thursday and Friday night 10 hours each and galaxy away. I lost no sleeping or eating or family time. That would put me in great position for the weekend. Just a little here and there during the day, maybe for two hours a night after everyone went to bed. Monday morning for an hour or two before everyone got up. Could score 6-9 million points without interfering with anything. Except work but what the hell. There were two supervisors. It everyone’s situations are the same but they shouldn’t be penalized because it allows more fine than someone else’s
To one of @Automaton_2000 ’s points, I skirmished for 1-2 hours per day over the 4 days, usually watching sports on TV, and finished 1252nd. It all depends on the ship & crew setup, IMO.
Peace, y’all. 🖖
P.S.: @Banjo1012 , I will most likely be freezing 4* Zora next week.
It’s not propaganda it’s real. The younger generation is almost unable to function in the workforce/ I had a grandfather who came to me with his granddaughter telling me how great she was and how special she was and I should hire her because she’s so smart. The entire time she did not say a word, just stared at the ground. She couldn’t even speak for herself. There’s no way I would hire her because her grandfather would have to work with her to do everything for her like he has done her whole life
The way I do it, well did it cuz I have a new job now, was I worked 12 hour shifts overnight as the manager. I could literally sit at my desk for 10 hours on Thursday and Friday night 10 hours each and galaxy away.
It’s not propaganda it’s real. The younger generation is almost unable to function in the workforce/ I had a grandfather who came to me with his granddaughter telling me how great she was and how special she was and I should hire her because she’s so smart. The entire time she did not say a word, just stared at the ground. She couldn’t even speak for herself. There’s no way I would hire her because her grandfather would have to work with her to do everything for her like he has done her whole life
The way I do it, well did it cuz I have a new job now, was I worked 12 hour shifts overnight as the manager. I could literally sit at my desk for 10 hours on Thursday and Friday night 10 hours each and galaxy away.
Interesting mix of comments.
Perhaps, but I did have to scratch and claw to get to that position. I would never have gotten there by letting grandma get the cup for me
It’s not propaganda it’s real. The younger generation is almost unable to function in the workforce/ I had a grandfather who came to me with his granddaughter telling me how great she was and how special she was and I should hire her because she’s so smart. The entire time she did not say a word, just stared at the ground. She couldn’t even speak for herself. There’s no way I would hire her because her grandfather would have to work with her to do everything for her like he has done her whole life
The way I do it, well did it cuz I have a new job now, was I worked 12 hour shifts overnight as the manager. I could literally sit at my desk for 10 hours on Thursday and Friday night 10 hours each and galaxy away.
Interesting mix of comments.
Perhaps, but I did have to scratch and claw to get to that position. I would never have gotten there by letting grandma get the cup for me
Maybe now that you've mastered reaching for the cup, next you can reach self-awareness.
It’s not propaganda it’s real. The younger generation is almost unable to function in the workforce/ I had a grandfather who came to me with his granddaughter telling me how great she was and how special she was and I should hire her because she’s so smart. The entire time she did not say a word, just stared at the ground. She couldn’t even speak for herself. There’s no way I would hire her because her grandfather would have to work with her to do everything for her like he has done her whole life
The way I do it, well did it cuz I have a new job now, was I worked 12 hour shifts overnight as the manager. I could literally sit at my desk for 10 hours on Thursday and Friday night 10 hours each and galaxy away.
Interesting mix of comments.
Perhaps, but I did have to scratch and claw to get to that position. I would never have gotten there by letting grandma get the cup for me
Maybe now that you've mastered reaching for the cup, next you can reach self-awareness.
And her event re-run bonus value isn t too big as well, since i doubt we will see another event, where all Disco crew is bonus again.
This has been said before, and yet here we are.
It looks like they've tailored the Disco megas to account for the sheer amount of cards now with it being heavy on the Faction, thus ensuring anyone wanting top 1.5 is going to have to burn through some shuttle tokens.
And I'm not sure we're at the point of insane competitiveness just yet - in the first week I was unable to play much as I was on holiday, finished just outside the 1500 band after being top 50 before I flew out, having scorched through shuttle tokens to be able to hit at least all thresholds. I honestly expected to have dropped out of the 1500 inside 48 hours as I was only able to fire out shuttles occasionally.
So I wouldn't assume that this is the last all-Disco-crew event, some of us made that assumption last time!
I'm aware that this game encourages a hoarder mentality but honestly that's not good when players are allowed to stockpile 100k+ chronitons, hundreds of shuttle boosts and tokens. Nowadays you need to save stuff for months to be able to get more than 1 copy of a gold card, and when it's time to burn through your stash, you need to be on 18h+ a day. In addition to be bad for the game, it's completely unhealthy.
Of course the reward structure is mostly to blame, only the top 0.15% get a gold and the top 0.025% players get some extra goodies so the only options are sitting out of the event, 20h attendance for a single gold or going all in 18h a day for 4 days.
If the rewards were less top-heavy then people wouldn't freak out as soon as they get out of the top 25, would relax a bit and participate more often but not as intensively.
We are allowed to stockpile? As opposed to what?
Instant gratification – you know, millennial mentality
(I say this with affection, because I tease my daughter with that phrase all the time and she's mid-20s)
but seriously, there are times it is good to be able to hoard and not really play as much, and other times you just want that dang prize NOW!! I am fairly sure we have all been at both ends of that spectrum...
Yes it is very millennial. I don’t want to have to work harder than the next guy to succeed. Hard work pays off y’all. And if by decaying resources he meant they dwindle over time. Yeah, see how happy the players would be about that. That concept defeats the entire strategy of the game
Except that is not millennial at all. Just what the propaganda about millennials say because each older generation insults and complains about the younger and the older generations no not want to admit that income inequality has never been higher, good paying jobs with benefits have never been fewer and that millennials and the ones after them are the first to have less than their parents since the great depression.
Unemployment has been low for a record amount of time since 2008. The stock market has been relentlessly climbing that whole time besides brief small dips. Milennials and genZ have had the best opportunity since those employed right after the great depression to grow their wealth for the past decade.
My parents never flew anywhere their whole lives, yet my brother used some of his student loan combined with summer work savings for a vacation to Cuba during University before even starting his career. There is a higher expectation now for what is an "average" standard of life, so we point at inequality as if that was always the average standard of living. If my brother and I had invested every penny possible during/after university/college just indexing, we'd both be wealthy by now. Unfortunately we were not that smart!
WEALTH inequality is significantly exaggerated because of a very few people who took huge risk and/or dedicated massive hours of their lives to start/grow a company to where it is today, and retained significant ownership of that company. This is not the same as SALARY inequality, which has not grown as significantly as you may think. Significant wealth growth can even be accomplished by someone in the low-middle class who is frugal and invests heavily, particularly if they are willing to relocate and/or or learn a new career if they get stuck. The internet can give you any information you need.
Why is wealth so concentrated in so few companies/owners? Because the consumer decided they want those products. We used to have more variety of brand names and products in department stores, but now people want more of the same. You could argue that marketing drove more people to buy certain brands, but we always had a choice to listen to marketing or not.
Unemployment is low but the jobs people are working are more and more jobs with little pay and no healthcare or benefits. Gig economy jobs like uber in which the workers are using their own cars, Door Dash in which the company was taking workers' tips, Amazon in which employees are expected to deliver up to 300 packages a day many using their own car, or a rented truck and although they work only for Amazon they are considered contract workers and not entitled to good pay, healthcare, benefits, or retirement. Or jobs like retail with low hourly wage that is not enough to live on, no benefits or healthcare and no job security. Many of these retail jobs are disappearing as vulture capitalists buy, raid and bankrupt huge companies like Toys R' Us, Sears, Mervyn's, K-Mart, etc. Or jobs in the tech industry or finance industry where you may have to start as an unpaid intern, work your way up to full time employee with some benefits and then get fired because the company can fill your position with an unpaid intern.
People are more and more having to work multiple jobs and cannot afford a house, to get married, to have kids, or even to pay off their student loan debt of which 44 million Americans have all total as $1.5 trillion. Debt that due to law changes they are unable to declare bankruptcy on or get reprieve from. Worker productivity and company profits have increased substantially these last forty years but for the first time in U.S. history workers' wages have not gone up significantly these last 40 years. Wages have stayed nearly flat the last 50 years while CEO pay has gone up exponentially. College tuition, healthcare, housing costs, food, and utilities have also gone up significantly so people have far less disposable income.
Income inequaltiy has been measured by the Census since 1967 and it has never been higher. I encourage you to read about it in Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Bloomberg or any other economics publication. The vast majority of the top .1% are not people that created a company are worked harder than regular workers. They are people who come to exisiting companies and give themselves huge salaries and bonuses even when their companies profits are down or even when their companies are going bankrupt. Besides salary they also give themselves stocks. Then they take company profits and do stock buybacks where the company buys back its own stock to increase stock price. When companies do this they always buy back the CEO and board members' stock back at the end so that they give themselves the highest stock dollar value. $3.8 trillion in stock buybacks from companies has occured in the last 9 years. This is one of the main reasons the stock market has performed so well. But the people that benefit the most from the high stock market are the people at the top that have the most money in it and are buying back their own stock. I encourage everyone who thinks that CEO's are entitled to so much wealth because they believe them to be exceptionally smart or hard working to watch the CBS show Undercover Boss where CEO's try to do the jobs of their employees and see how difficult it is and how poor they are at it.
Wealth is concentrated in so few companies because the large companies have formed monopolies and oligopolies in almost every product by buying up competitors, using unfair business practices to not allow competitors to sell their products, and stealing the better ideas of their smaller competitors and copying them. I encourage you to read about the things Bill Gates and Microsoft did to Sun Microsystems or the things Steve Jobs did to Xerox and others.
And her event re-run bonus value isn t too big as well, since i doubt we will see another event, where all Disco crew is bonus again.
This has been said before, and yet here we are.
It looks like they've tailored the Disco megas to account for the sheer amount of cards now with it being heavy on the Faction, thus ensuring anyone wanting top 1.5 is going to have to burn through some shuttle tokens.
And I'm not sure we're at the point of insane competitiveness just yet - in the first week I was unable to play much as I was on holiday, finished just outside the 1500 band after being top 50 before I flew out, having scorched through shuttle tokens to be able to hit at least all thresholds. I honestly expected to have dropped out of the 1500 inside 48 hours as I was only able to fire out shuttles occasionally.
So I wouldn't assume that this is the last all-Disco-crew event, some of us made that assumption last time!
I'm aware that this game encourages a hoarder mentality but honestly that's not good when players are allowed to stockpile 100k+ chronitons, hundreds of shuttle boosts and tokens. Nowadays you need to save stuff for months to be able to get more than 1 copy of a gold card, and when it's time to burn through your stash, you need to be on 18h+ a day. In addition to be bad for the game, it's completely unhealthy.
Of course the reward structure is mostly to blame, only the top 0.15% get a gold and the top 0.025% players get some extra goodies so the only options are sitting out of the event, 20h attendance for a single gold or going all in 18h a day for 4 days.
If the rewards were less top-heavy then people wouldn't freak out as soon as they get out of the top 25, would relax a bit and participate more often but not as intensively.
We are allowed to stockpile? As opposed to what?
Instant gratification – you know, millennial mentality
(I say this with affection, because I tease my daughter with that phrase all the time and she's mid-20s)
but seriously, there are times it is good to be able to hoard and not really play as much, and other times you just want that dang prize NOW!! I am fairly sure we have all been at both ends of that spectrum...
Yes it is very millennial. I don’t want to have to work harder than the next guy to succeed. Hard work pays off y’all. And if by decaying resources he meant they dwindle over time. Yeah, see how happy the players would be about that. That concept defeats the entire strategy of the game
Except that is not millennial at all. Just what the propaganda about millennials say because each older generation insults and complains about the younger and the older generations no not want to admit that income inequality has never been higher, good paying jobs with benefits have never been fewer and that millennials and the ones after them are the first to have less than their parents since the great depression.
It’s not propaganda it’s real. The younger generation is almost unable to function in the workforce/ I had a grandfather who came to me with his granddaughter telling me how great she was and how special she was and I should hire her because she’s so smart. The entire time she did not say a word, just stared at the ground. She couldn’t even speak for herself. There’s no way I would hire her because her grandfather would have to work with her to do everything for her like he has done her whole life
You are taking one example and saying it is representative of the whole which is incorrect. Millennials have the highest percentage of college educated people of any group before them. They are working longer hours for less pay than their parents and are unable to afford the same purchases that their parents made. This millennials are lazy and weak stuff came from conservative pundit millionaires paid by billionaires to get people to ignore income inequality by blaming the victim millennials instead of the perpetrator billionaires.
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
― Socrates
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“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
― Socrates
See!? Even in Ancient Greece they knew how bad these millennials would be! /s
It’s not propaganda it’s real. The younger generation is almost unable to function in the workforce/ I had a grandfather who came to me with his granddaughter telling me how great she was and how special she was and I should hire her because she’s so smart. The entire time she did not say a word, just stared at the ground. She couldn’t even speak for herself. There’s no way I would hire her because her grandfather would have to work with her to do everything for her like he has done her whole life
Depends on the work being done.
On occasion I work with millennials, and they're far better at coding than I was at their age and, at some point, I have little doubt they'll eclipse me at my current age.
On the other hand, if society collapsed tomorrow, they'd starve to death sitting on a pile of tinned food with a tin opener in their hand for want of being able to figure how to open the former with the latter.
It's called adaptation.
It's the curse of every generation to make the next ones live different, and then to moan about it.
As for the granddaughter, that's not representative of a millennial, that's representative of someone either raised badly or has been beaten down.
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
And her event re-run bonus value isn t too big as well, since i doubt we will see another event, where all Disco crew is bonus again.
This has been said before, and yet here we are.
It looks like they've tailored the Disco megas to account for the sheer amount of cards now with it being heavy on the Faction, thus ensuring anyone wanting top 1.5 is going to have to burn through some shuttle tokens.
And I'm not sure we're at the point of insane competitiveness just yet - in the first week I was unable to play much as I was on holiday, finished just outside the 1500 band after being top 50 before I flew out, having scorched through shuttle tokens to be able to hit at least all thresholds. I honestly expected to have dropped out of the 1500 inside 48 hours as I was only able to fire out shuttles occasionally.
So I wouldn't assume that this is the last all-Disco-crew event, some of us made that assumption last time!
I'm aware that this game encourages a hoarder mentality but honestly that's not good when players are allowed to stockpile 100k+ chronitons, hundreds of shuttle boosts and tokens. Nowadays you need to save stuff for months to be able to get more than 1 copy of a gold card, and when it's time to burn through your stash, you need to be on 18h+ a day. In addition to be bad for the game, it's completely unhealthy.
Of course the reward structure is mostly to blame, only the top 0.15% get a gold and the top 0.025% players get some extra goodies so the only options are sitting out of the event, 20h attendance for a single gold or going all in 18h a day for 4 days.
If the rewards were less top-heavy then people wouldn't freak out as soon as they get out of the top 25, would relax a bit and participate more often but not as intensively.
We are allowed to stockpile? As opposed to what?
Instant gratification – you know, millennial mentality
(I say this with affection, because I tease my daughter with that phrase all the time and she's mid-20s)
but seriously, there are times it is good to be able to hoard and not really play as much, and other times you just want that dang prize NOW!! I am fairly sure we have all been at both ends of that spectrum...
Yes it is very millennial. I don’t want to have to work harder than the next guy to succeed. Hard work pays off y’all. And if by decaying resources he meant they dwindle over time. Yeah, see how happy the players would be about that. That concept defeats the entire strategy of the game
Except that is not millennial at all. Just what the propaganda about millennials say because each older generation insults and complains about the younger and the older generations no not want to admit that income inequality has never been higher, good paying jobs with benefits have never been fewer and that millennials and the ones after them are the first to have less than their parents since the great depression.
It’s not propaganda it’s real. The younger generation is almost unable to function in the workforce/ I had a grandfather who came to me with his granddaughter telling me how great she was and how special she was and I should hire her because she’s so smart. The entire time she did not say a word, just stared at the ground. She couldn’t even speak for herself. There’s no way I would hire her because her grandfather would have to work with her to do everything for her like he has done her whole life
You are taking one example and saying it is representative of the whole which is incorrect. Millennials have the highest percentage of college educated people of any group before them. They are working longer hours for less pay than their parents and are unable to afford the same purchases that their parents made. This millennials are lazy and weak stuff came from conservative pundit millionaires paid by billionaires to get people to ignore income inequality by blaming the victim millennials instead of the perpetrator billionaires.
I knew someone would say that it was only one person and shouldn’t condemn them all. I have seen hundreds and hundreds of examples like this. I just didn’t think you wanted a huge list to read through. Inequality is a real thing. It always has been, but it has to be. Say you have a warehouse with 100 workers. You have two managers, four supervisors, and 94 employees. You can’t have 100 members of management. If those 94 were not qualified or perhaps never wanted to be management then that is on them and of course they are not going to get paid as much. Nor should they. That’s just the way of the world and I’m not going to feel bad about it or cry about it being unfair
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Is it therefore a case where the ranked rewards need to be expanded again say from 1500 to 2000?
Will it make it any better or worse? There has been a lot of recent changes that have had a significant impact on events.
Discuss...
There's that word. Work.
It's a game. Effort is one thing, work is quite another.
When I do something like archery, I put in effort, and it's enjoyable. If it was work, I'd want some form of recompense as it would be less enjoyable.
I'm with Ren that, in that to compete, being active for most of the duration should be the exception, not the rule.
Some perspective - we're playing to win some pixels, not save lives.
This weekend I'll be spending most of Saturday drinking craft ales and dancing til the early hours with friends, laughing, joking and generally feeling happy.
Wouldn't swap that for 5 of any card in this game.
Except that is not millennial at all. Just what the propaganda about millennials say because each older generation insults and complains about the younger and the older generations no not want to admit that income inequality has never been higher, good paying jobs with benefits have never been fewer and that millennials and the ones after them are the first to have less than their parents since the great depression.
Unemployment has been low for a record amount of time since 2008. The stock market has been relentlessly climbing that whole time besides brief small dips. Milennials and genZ have had the best opportunity since those employed right after the great depression to grow their wealth for the past decade.
My parents never flew anywhere their whole lives, yet my brother used some of his student loan combined with summer work savings for a vacation to Cuba during University before even starting his career. There is a higher expectation now for what is an "average" standard of life, so we point at inequality as if that was always the average standard of living. If my brother and I had invested every penny possible during/after university/college just indexing, we'd both be wealthy by now. Unfortunately we were not that smart!
WEALTH inequality is significantly exaggerated because of a very few people who took huge risk and/or dedicated massive hours of their lives to start/grow a company to where it is today, and retained significant ownership of that company. This is not the same as SALARY inequality, which has not grown as significantly as you may think. Significant wealth growth can even be accomplished by someone in the low-middle class who is frugal and invests heavily, particularly if they are willing to relocate and/or or learn a new career if they get stuck. The internet can give you any information you need.
Why is wealth so concentrated in so few companies/owners? Because the consumer decided they want those products. We used to have more variety of brand names and products in department stores, but now people want more of the same. You could argue that marketing drove more people to buy certain brands, but we always had a choice to listen to marketing or not.
Which is fine, but lets not forget these games come with nudges, dark patterns, etc, etc.
This one probably less than most, but lets not kid ourselves that's down to anything but limitations of the current platform, but they're there.
Me, you, others, have developed immunity, ennui or gotten wise to at least some of them, not everyone does.
There's going to be some kid, desperate to get that achievement, who'll push themselves. Just as there's that one who'll rattle through their birthday money on a Tuesday pack.
Now I'm a big fan of rights being balanced with responsibilities, and as something of a capitalist, I firmly believe DB have every right to make a profit within the limits of the law. I also believe they have a responsibility to players not to take the Mickey Bliss.
Events, as they are, have crossed over that line by dint of how the game has evolved, rather than any real intent on DB's part. It's probably a good time for them to start casting an eye over how to improve things, out of self-interest if nothing else, because eventually - possibly within the games lifespan - governments and regulators will start to do things as angry parents and grown-up millennials are voters too.
-To DB: You *should* (read:need to) reduce the grind of skirmish events. There's a chance that somebody will be hospitalized trying to win one of your events and that is not hyperbole. This last event took ~72 of 96 hours grinding with a near-optimal setup at a nearly non-stop pace. If it wasn't me, it would be someone else - in fact there were two scores over 11 million.
And frankly, you can't detect most cheating. I've been told by more than one player that they've used a macro without consequence. The #2 finisher in one of the recent skirmishes said he had a family member playing for him on his account while he slept. As long as the system is designed as a massive time sink, people will cheat to get around it.
My experience of "winning" these events has ranged from feeling like garbage physically to getting lots of snide comments and cheating accusations, because players don't have faith in DB to police that. I understand making time the limiting factor in order to sell packs, but please consider to what degree that should be and the harm that it can do in this situation.
-To players: It's a four day competitive event, not a guaranteed handout legendary crew. Nobody is owed a copy of the crew that they're trying to market/sell to run their business. If someone walked into a Faction event without good bonus crew or boosts and complained about not getting the rank they wanted, they'd be laughed at.
With the right setup, thresholds can be done in two hours and rank 1500 done in six (along with an average of 10k honor and 2/3rds of your chrons refunded). If your roster isn't at that point yet, then you have the option of playing as long as you need to get the rank you want, which makes Skirmish more forgiving than Factions in that regard. Investing in the right ship(s) and crew is important for this event type, because generally you will use the same three crew in every single Skirmish and because you get rewarded the more you participate in the event.
I'd like to see the grind reduced somewhat (especially at the top), but if that doesn't happen then you can either choose to not engage with the event, or improve your own situation.
Peace, y’all. 🖖
P.S.: @Banjo1012 , I will most likely be freezing 4* Zora next week.
and i grinded (ground?) for maybe three hours each day but quit after ship battle 4 so i would get more rewards but stay under 1500, airlocked the 3 copes of new burnham, and now i'm only 7000 honor away from another cite and don't have another 3/4 or 1/5 sitting around
It’s not propaganda it’s real. The younger generation is almost unable to function in the workforce/ I had a grandfather who came to me with his granddaughter telling me how great she was and how special she was and I should hire her because she’s so smart. The entire time she did not say a word, just stared at the ground. She couldn’t even speak for herself. There’s no way I would hire her because her grandfather would have to work with her to do everything for her like he has done her whole life
Who exactly is to blame here, the granddaughter for never learning work ethic or the grandfather/parents for never teaching it effectively.
That said as someone who has worked with plenty of people of all ages at a few large corporations. There are people of all competencies at all ages, including just out of college.
You went completely off-topic. Let's blame lack of sleep. I don't believe anyone here asked for handouts, but you have to keep in mind that the reward structure is the very reason people go far beyond what they should be doing to get a few more copies of a legendary crew. Skirmishes are no different from any other events, galaxy have people mindlessly clicking 18h a day and factions have people at the top setting alarms every 1h30 at night which is about as bad as not sleeping at all.
When one person out of 100k gets a full card and when 25 out of 100k get more than one copy, of course it creates an immense pressure to fully commit to the grind, and with resources being limitless in practice (I've talked to people with over 150k chronitons in my fleet, some also have hundreds of time boosters), the only option is to spend as much time as possible clicking stuff over the course of 4 days, at the detriment of everyday life and menial stuff like eating well, sleeping, and probably taking showers if that's what it takes.
There aren't 150 ways to solve the pressure to get to the top and spend 90h like you did, there are two. The first one is turning tank 1 into a more prestigious rank with goodies (read: gold stars) spread out a bit more across all 1500 ranks rather than having one person taking them all, the second one is resources caps and decay.
The pressure not to fall out of top 5-25 shouldn't exist, that's far too limiting given that most people at that rank have unlimited resources, so you either have to limit resources or make people care a bit less about how high they rank because everything under 25 is a no man's land with a pity gold that you will end up airlocking eventually.
If the reward structure was different there would be incentives to rank as high as possible every week and resources would be the limiting factor, not time. It's critical to make people drain their stash every week in that kind of game or you end up with dangerous behaviours from top players and that's how you get legislators interested in your business and bad press because someone died over lack of sleep. That's not even counting the moral implications of these irresponsible design decisions.
... and I immortalized 4* Fugitive Burnham and am happy with my “pity gold” FE 1/5* Vina, sitting around in Zora’s seat indefinitely if need be. Each of us plays the game our own way, and that is OK. 🖖
Yes there are but having had a large sample of employees of all ages, the work ethic is so noticeably worse. They are even changing laws and policies to cater to this. A child can be carried on your insurance until they are 26 regardless if they are a student or not, that shouldn’t be a thing but it is to cater to the helplessness, and it’s totally the grandfathers fault. A child is a clean slate to learn what you give them. I didn’t say it was all the child’s fault. I fight with my mother in law about this stuff all the time. My daughter, not yet two, wants something off the table. She goes to get it for her. I say no, let her figure out how to get it herself and she does. It may sound minor but I am trying to teach her independence. To get her cup herself. Not that someone will always come along and get it for her
The way I do it, well did it cuz I have a new job now, was I worked 12 hour shifts overnight as the manager. I could literally sit at my desk for 10 hours on Thursday and Friday night 10 hours each and galaxy away. I lost no sleeping or eating or family time. That would put me in great position for the weekend. Just a little here and there during the day, maybe for two hours a night after everyone went to bed. Monday morning for an hour or two before everyone got up. Could score 6-9 million points without interfering with anything. Except work but what the hell. There were two supervisors. It everyone’s situations are the same but they shouldn’t be penalized because it allows more fine than someone else’s
Yes!! I totally called it!
Interesting mix of comments.
Perhaps, but I did have to scratch and claw to get to that position. I would never have gotten there by letting grandma get the cup for me
Maybe now that you've mastered reaching for the cup, next you can reach self-awareness.
I am aware I exist. I think therefore I am
Unemployment is low but the jobs people are working are more and more jobs with little pay and no healthcare or benefits. Gig economy jobs like uber in which the workers are using their own cars, Door Dash in which the company was taking workers' tips, Amazon in which employees are expected to deliver up to 300 packages a day many using their own car, or a rented truck and although they work only for Amazon they are considered contract workers and not entitled to good pay, healthcare, benefits, or retirement. Or jobs like retail with low hourly wage that is not enough to live on, no benefits or healthcare and no job security. Many of these retail jobs are disappearing as vulture capitalists buy, raid and bankrupt huge companies like Toys R' Us, Sears, Mervyn's, K-Mart, etc. Or jobs in the tech industry or finance industry where you may have to start as an unpaid intern, work your way up to full time employee with some benefits and then get fired because the company can fill your position with an unpaid intern.
People are more and more having to work multiple jobs and cannot afford a house, to get married, to have kids, or even to pay off their student loan debt of which 44 million Americans have all total as $1.5 trillion. Debt that due to law changes they are unable to declare bankruptcy on or get reprieve from. Worker productivity and company profits have increased substantially these last forty years but for the first time in U.S. history workers' wages have not gone up significantly these last 40 years. Wages have stayed nearly flat the last 50 years while CEO pay has gone up exponentially. College tuition, healthcare, housing costs, food, and utilities have also gone up significantly so people have far less disposable income.
Wealth is concentrated in so few companies because the large companies have formed monopolies and oligopolies in almost every product by buying up competitors, using unfair business practices to not allow competitors to sell their products, and stealing the better ideas of their smaller competitors and copying them. I encourage you to read about the things Bill Gates and Microsoft did to Sun Microsystems or the things Steve Jobs did to Xerox and others.
You are taking one example and saying it is representative of the whole which is incorrect. Millennials have the highest percentage of college educated people of any group before them. They are working longer hours for less pay than their parents and are unable to afford the same purchases that their parents made. This millennials are lazy and weak stuff came from conservative pundit millionaires paid by billionaires to get people to ignore income inequality by blaming the victim millennials instead of the perpetrator billionaires.
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
― Socrates
See!? Even in Ancient Greece they knew how bad these millennials would be! /s
Depends on the work being done.
On occasion I work with millennials, and they're far better at coding than I was at their age and, at some point, I have little doubt they'll eclipse me at my current age.
On the other hand, if society collapsed tomorrow, they'd starve to death sitting on a pile of tinned food with a tin opener in their hand for want of being able to figure how to open the former with the latter.
It's called adaptation.
It's the curse of every generation to make the next ones live different, and then to moan about it.
As for the granddaughter, that's not representative of a millennial, that's representative of someone either raised badly or has been beaten down.
To be fair, he was talking about Bill and Ted.
I knew someone would say that it was only one person and shouldn’t condemn them all. I have seen hundreds and hundreds of examples like this. I just didn’t think you wanted a huge list to read through. Inequality is a real thing. It always has been, but it has to be. Say you have a warehouse with 100 workers. You have two managers, four supervisors, and 94 employees. You can’t have 100 members of management. If those 94 were not qualified or perhaps never wanted to be management then that is on them and of course they are not going to get paid as much. Nor should they. That’s just the way of the world and I’m not going to feel bad about it or cry about it being unfair