It’s not propaganda it’s real. The younger generation is almost unable to function in the workforce/ I had a grandfather who came to me with his granddaughter telling me how great she was and how special she was and I should hire her because she’s so smart. The entire time she did not say a word, just stared at the ground. She couldn’t even speak for herself. There’s no way I would hire her because her grandfather would have to work with her to do everything for her like he has done her whole life
Depends on the work being done.
On occasion I work with millennials, and they're far better at coding than I was at their age and, at some point, I have little doubt they'll eclipse me at my current age.
On the other hand, if society collapsed tomorrow, they'd starve to death sitting on a pile of tinned food with a tin opener in their hand for want of being able to figure how to open the former with the latter.
It's called adaptation.
It's the curse of every generation to make the next ones live different, and then to moan about it.
As for the granddaughter, that's not representative of a millennial, that's representative of someone either raised badly or has been beaten down.
I think this sums it up pretty nicely. I'd actually put it in the context of Star Trek - warp theory seems to be basic knowledge in their world, which means it's probably taught (at least at a high level) to children. I can only imagine the build up they would get to be able to process that information - pretty sure their physics lessons are a little different than ours are. I would also assume that some things, such as cursive, probably do not get covered anymore at all.
I'm on the older side of what's considered millennial and I have tonnes of skills that impress my parents and flabbergast my grandparents, but I also can't do half of the things that come naturally to them because they weren't relevant during my suburban upbringing. I'm lucky my parents put me in boy scouts, or else I probably wouldn't know how to tie a knot because it isn't relevant to my life at all.
Each generation comes up with new innovation and new expectations, and that all have their pros and cons. I manage people of all ages in a call centre environment. To put it very generically, older employees are often slower to learn, but tend to be loyal. Younger employees tend to learn and perform way quicker, but are far more open to leaving on a whim. Both bring me something different, and balancing & leveraging the two is part of what brings me success.
I knew someone would say that it was only one person and shouldn’t condemn them all. I have seen hundreds and hundreds of examples like this. I just didn’t think you wanted a huge list to read through. Inequality is a real thing. It always has been, but it has to be. Say you have a warehouse with 100 workers. You have two managers, four supervisors, and 94 employees. You can’t have 100 members of management. If those 94 were not qualified or perhaps never wanted to be management then that is on them and of course they are not going to get paid as much. Nor should they. That’s just the way of the world and I’m not going to feel bad about it or cry about it being unfair
That's not wealth inequality, that is hierarchy.
Wealth inequality is essentially the Gini coefficient, which - globally - has been going down, but in first world nations has been going up as globalisation has imported that inequality as part of reduced friction in trade.
Problem is, governments have done very little about it and now seem all grumpy all those voters are feeling a little bit cheated. Apparently no one told them cheap electronics and fashion came with a non-monetary price tag.
And no one is telling them that reversing it means less, and more expensive, toys.
I don’t think it’s useful to compare America now to America in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. The USA was one of the few first world nations that emerged from WW2 relatively unscathed, with industry intact and poised to expand. It rode that wave for decades. So millennials might have it worse than their parents or grandparents, but that’s because that period in America was a complete aberration in terms of what happened before and after.
We’re not going back to that level of prosperity again, absent another global disaster that devastates Europe/Asia but leaves America untouched.
I don’t think it’s useful to compare America now to America in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. The USA was one of the few first world nations that emerged from WW2 relatively unscathed, with industry intact and poised to expand. It rode that wave for decades. So millennials might have it worse than their parents or grandparents, but that’s because that period in America was a complete aberration in terms of what happened before and after.
We’re not going back to that level of prosperity again, absent another global disaster that devastates Europe/Asia but leaves America untouched.
I'm not sure they have it objectively worse, they have it different.
Yes, from a pure fiscal point they're worse off with real wages having deflated, but from a point of utility they're better off than ever before. In the UK and Europe we also have social safety nets and healthcare which adds to our overall wealth.
Anyone wanting a computer in those decades would have to have been incredibly wealthy, now children have a device more powerful than the supercomputers of those days and with almost unfettered access to more information than children of those times would in a library.
Change computer for dishwasher. Or washing machine. Or colour TV. Or access to media.
Times change. Progress is usually zero-sum, and demands a price - usually in blood - and we're paying ever less of that for ever more progress.
We like to focus on the negative, mainly as that is what we end up doing (cf. social media), but there are a lot of positives too.
Perhaps, but I did have to scratch and claw to get to that position. I would never have gotten there by letting grandma get the cup for me
Hehe, with your drive and ambition no doubts about that bud
On the other hand: In those timeframes you described you got paid for playing, not working. And as manager you cannot expect focused work by your staff if you don´t deliver the same thing.
Also there are jobs where lives could get and were lost by people doing it like that. Aka not being focused on the job.
I have clear dividing lines (gladly call that oldschool): Family time is family time, work time is work time, game time is game time.
And her event re-run bonus value isn t too big as well, since i doubt we will see another event, where all Disco crew is bonus again.
This has been said before, and yet here we are.
It looks like they've tailored the Disco megas to account for the sheer amount of cards now with it being heavy on the Faction, thus ensuring anyone wanting top 1.5 is going to have to burn through some shuttle tokens.
And I'm not sure we're at the point of insane competitiveness just yet - in the first week I was unable to play much as I was on holiday, finished just outside the 1500 band after being top 50 before I flew out, having scorched through shuttle tokens to be able to hit at least all thresholds. I honestly expected to have dropped out of the 1500 inside 48 hours as I was only able to fire out shuttles occasionally.
So I wouldn't assume that this is the last all-Disco-crew event, some of us made that assumption last time!
I'm aware that this game encourages a hoarder mentality but honestly that's not good when players are allowed to stockpile 100k+ chronitons, hundreds of shuttle boosts and tokens. Nowadays you need to save stuff for months to be able to get more than 1 copy of a gold card, and when it's time to burn through your stash, you need to be on 18h+ a day. In addition to be bad for the game, it's completely unhealthy.
Of course the reward structure is mostly to blame, only the top 0.15% get a gold and the top 0.025% players get some extra goodies so the only options are sitting out of the event, 20h attendance for a single gold or going all in 18h a day for 4 days.
If the rewards were less top-heavy then people wouldn't freak out as soon as they get out of the top 25, would relax a bit and participate more often but not as intensively.
We are allowed to stockpile? As opposed to what?
Instant gratification – you know, millennial mentality
(I say this with affection, because I tease my daughter with that phrase all the time and she's mid-20s)
but seriously, there are times it is good to be able to hoard and not really play as much, and other times you just want that dang prize NOW!! I am fairly sure we have all been at both ends of that spectrum...
Yes it is very millennial. I don’t want to have to work harder than the next guy to succeed. Hard work pays off y’all. And if by decaying resources he meant they dwindle over time. Yeah, see how happy the players would be about that. That concept defeats the entire strategy of the game
Except that is not millennial at all. Just what the propaganda about millennials say because each older generation insults and complains about the younger and the older generations no not want to admit that income inequality has never been higher, good paying jobs with benefits have never been fewer and that millennials and the ones after them are the first to have less than their parents since the great depression.
It’s not propaganda it’s real. The younger generation is almost unable to function in the workforce/ I had a grandfather who came to me with his granddaughter telling me how great she was and how special she was and I should hire her because she’s so smart. The entire time she did not say a word, just stared at the ground. She couldn’t even speak for herself. There’s no way I would hire her because her grandfather would have to work with her to do everything for her like he has done her whole life
You are taking one example and saying it is representative of the whole which is incorrect. Millennials have the highest percentage of college educated people of any group before them. They are working longer hours for less pay than their parents and are unable to afford the same purchases that their parents made. This millennials are lazy and weak stuff came from conservative pundit millionaires paid by billionaires to get people to ignore income inequality by blaming the victim millennials instead of the perpetrator billionaires.
I knew someone would say that it was only one person and shouldn’t condemn them all. I have seen hundreds and hundreds of examples like this. I just didn’t think you wanted a huge list to read through. Inequality is a real thing. It always has been, but it has to be. Say you have a warehouse with 100 workers. You have two managers, four supervisors, and 94 employees. You can’t have 100 members of management. If those 94 were not qualified or perhaps never wanted to be management then that is on them and of course they are not going to get paid as much. Nor should they. That’s just the way of the world and I’m not going to feel bad about it or cry about it being unfair
Everything seems to be fair as long as we are on the butter side, doesn't it?
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Perhaps, but I did have to scratch and claw to get to that position. I would never have gotten there by letting grandma get the cup for me
Hehe, with your drive and ambition no doubts about that bud
On the other hand: In those timeframes you described you got paid for playing, not working. And as manager you cannot expect focused work by your staff if you don´t deliver the same thing.
Also there are jobs where lives could get and were lost by people doing it like that. Aka not being focused on the job.
I have clear dividing lines (gladly call that oldschool): Family time is family time, work time is work time, game time is game time.
If it makes me sound any better I did that I would say perhaps 6 days out of the year. As salary I have also been paid to sit on the couch while others weren’t getting paid. We had a shut down of about 6 weeks where I got paid and everyone else had to collect unemployment. There are different ramifications for every position. Different advantages and disadvantages. On the flip side, being Chicago Teamsters and bullies, the employees made more money doing their job than anyone else in the entire country. I ran the place yet the employees made literally twice what I made. Only place you really see that anywhere else is professional sports. Income inequality certainly was backwards where I was but again, I had some advantages too. You have to work with the hand you have. If you don’t like it, try another hand. Instead of protesting to get a McDonalds employee $15 and hour that McDonalds employee should take their fate into their own hands and try to better their situation, not count on others to affect changes for them
You are taking one example and saying it is representative of the whole which is incorrect. Millennials have the highest percentage of college educated people of any group before them. They are working longer hours for less pay than their parents and are unable to afford the same purchases that their parents made.
The explosion of the number of worthless degrees from this increase in college graduates couldn’t possibly have anything to do with this, could it? So many four year degrees, ranging from English to Poli Sci to Psychology (for example), only really prepare the degree holder for success if they can go on to graduate school and become a professor, lawyer, or something similar. The rest are stuck waiting tables, working retail, and other jobs suited to high schoolers needing some spending money and retirees who need to stave off cabin fever.
Instead of loading up on worthless degrees and then wondering why there aren’t any suitable jobs, there are a ton of jobs requiring two year degrees or even less that pay incredibly well and are in high demand. Any of the trades would be a good start - plumbers, electricians, industrial maintenance staff, welders, machinists, non-destructive test technicians, and anyone who can run CNC equipment have a wealth of job opportunities available to them. Nurses are also in critical demand, with a variety of certification levels for different amounts of schooling. This notion that a lack of jobs is somehow the fault of all millionaires and billionaires rather than the choices of individual people to prioritize individual enrichment over preparation for the job market, is patently false.
As interesting as some of this discussion is, it has derailed so far off tracks that I am closing it.
Feel free to continue a similar discussion in the appropriate category, thank you
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I think this sums it up pretty nicely. I'd actually put it in the context of Star Trek - warp theory seems to be basic knowledge in their world, which means it's probably taught (at least at a high level) to children. I can only imagine the build up they would get to be able to process that information - pretty sure their physics lessons are a little different than ours are. I would also assume that some things, such as cursive, probably do not get covered anymore at all.
I'm on the older side of what's considered millennial and I have tonnes of skills that impress my parents and flabbergast my grandparents, but I also can't do half of the things that come naturally to them because they weren't relevant during my suburban upbringing. I'm lucky my parents put me in boy scouts, or else I probably wouldn't know how to tie a knot because it isn't relevant to my life at all.
Each generation comes up with new innovation and new expectations, and that all have their pros and cons. I manage people of all ages in a call centre environment. To put it very generically, older employees are often slower to learn, but tend to be loyal. Younger employees tend to learn and perform way quicker, but are far more open to leaving on a whim. Both bring me something different, and balancing & leveraging the two is part of what brings me success.
That's not wealth inequality, that is hierarchy.
Wealth inequality is essentially the Gini coefficient, which - globally - has been going down, but in first world nations has been going up as globalisation has imported that inequality as part of reduced friction in trade.
Problem is, governments have done very little about it and now seem all grumpy all those voters are feeling a little bit cheated. Apparently no one told them cheap electronics and fashion came with a non-monetary price tag.
And no one is telling them that reversing it means less, and more expensive, toys.
Fun times.
We’re not going back to that level of prosperity again, absent another global disaster that devastates Europe/Asia but leaves America untouched.
I'm not sure they have it objectively worse, they have it different.
Yes, from a pure fiscal point they're worse off with real wages having deflated, but from a point of utility they're better off than ever before. In the UK and Europe we also have social safety nets and healthcare which adds to our overall wealth.
Anyone wanting a computer in those decades would have to have been incredibly wealthy, now children have a device more powerful than the supercomputers of those days and with almost unfettered access to more information than children of those times would in a library.
Change computer for dishwasher. Or washing machine. Or colour TV. Or access to media.
Times change. Progress is usually zero-sum, and demands a price - usually in blood - and we're paying ever less of that for ever more progress.
We like to focus on the negative, mainly as that is what we end up doing (cf. social media), but there are a lot of positives too.
Hehe, with your drive and ambition no doubts about that bud
On the other hand: In those timeframes you described you got paid for playing, not working. And as manager you cannot expect focused work by your staff if you don´t deliver the same thing.
Also there are jobs where lives could get and were lost by people doing it like that. Aka not being focused on the job.
I have clear dividing lines (gladly call that oldschool): Family time is family time, work time is work time, game time is game time.
Everything seems to be fair as long as we are on the butter side, doesn't it?
Source: https://www.businessinsider.de/equal-pay-day-gender-pay-gap-calendar-2019-8?r=US&IR=T
If it makes me sound any better I did that I would say perhaps 6 days out of the year. As salary I have also been paid to sit on the couch while others weren’t getting paid. We had a shut down of about 6 weeks where I got paid and everyone else had to collect unemployment. There are different ramifications for every position. Different advantages and disadvantages. On the flip side, being Chicago Teamsters and bullies, the employees made more money doing their job than anyone else in the entire country. I ran the place yet the employees made literally twice what I made. Only place you really see that anywhere else is professional sports. Income inequality certainly was backwards where I was but again, I had some advantages too. You have to work with the hand you have. If you don’t like it, try another hand. Instead of protesting to get a McDonalds employee $15 and hour that McDonalds employee should take their fate into their own hands and try to better their situation, not count on others to affect changes for them
The explosion of the number of worthless degrees from this increase in college graduates couldn’t possibly have anything to do with this, could it? So many four year degrees, ranging from English to Poli Sci to Psychology (for example), only really prepare the degree holder for success if they can go on to graduate school and become a professor, lawyer, or something similar. The rest are stuck waiting tables, working retail, and other jobs suited to high schoolers needing some spending money and retirees who need to stave off cabin fever.
Instead of loading up on worthless degrees and then wondering why there aren’t any suitable jobs, there are a ton of jobs requiring two year degrees or even less that pay incredibly well and are in high demand. Any of the trades would be a good start - plumbers, electricians, industrial maintenance staff, welders, machinists, non-destructive test technicians, and anyone who can run CNC equipment have a wealth of job opportunities available to them. Nurses are also in critical demand, with a variety of certification levels for different amounts of schooling. This notion that a lack of jobs is somehow the fault of all millionaires and billionaires rather than the choices of individual people to prioritize individual enrichment over preparation for the job market, is patently false.
Feel free to continue a similar discussion in the appropriate category, thank you