I’d be far more interested in the maximum time in between updates...and, if we’re being honest, an entire plot of all of the durations between updates. Insatiable curiosity, and all that.
159 days is the longest they have gone, prior to now. (October 12, 2017 - March 20th, 2018)
It has currently been 205 days since our last update (March 17th, 2020)
If it's because they're making Decripit Legendaries™ a separate pool, then it's worth the wait.
I really hope that this is the case. However then you get to the thorny question of do the existing premium packs turn into Decrepit Legendary Packs or more recent Legendary Packs?
What I can say is that I am reluctant to buy that $50 offer without knowing the answers to these questions. I want to buy it, it's a good deal in theory, but the premiums packs as they stand are likely just honor for me, or a fuse of a character that I never use already and 1 fuse won't make much of a difference to that.
Existing packs would remain as premium pulls. It would have to be announced a couple weeks in advance so players could pull from the existing pool, if they so desire. It would be kind of lame to convert purchased packs to packs of a lesser dilithium value.
(This is all my idea of how it should work and not necessarily how WRG would actually implement the idea, if they ever do.)
I really hope that this is the case. However then you get to the thorny question of do the existing premium packs turn into Decrepit Legendary Packs or more recent Legendary Packs?
There can be simple (this not same as popular!) solutions to this:
a) packs in your stock must be used by <date>, after which a update will be pushed introducing a tiered pack approach
or
b) packs in your stock will be tier 1 as that is what they were when you bought them; you can convert up to xx% to the lower tier at a multiplier of new::old
I used to be grumpy about the selection of Dabo ship schematics but realized there is a benefit to having a limited pool - a smaller schematics pool for Dabo means that new players will have an easier time at amassing enough schematics for those ships than if the portal had every 5* ship. The same honestly applies to voyages as well - I may find it annoying to have to avoid getting 600 more useless NX-01 schematics but someone who doesn’t have a 5* ship is probably pretty happy to see them come up so often.
Given that other Dabo entries adjust to the player, those ship schematics could as well, e.g. increase the pool from which it selects randomly once you have all the ships in the primary pool maxed out, or something like that.
That’s a wonderful idea in theory. But given how the fuzzy logic already employed for items will supply plenty of duplicates of existing items, I can see this backfiring a bit - the expectation would be set up that you’ll always have a chance at finishing an incomplete ship, which would then be violently dashed by getting your 12,000th schematic for the HMS Bounty.
Bumping this to the top because TP is doing good cleanup work piece by piece now, and I appreciate it, but this is a big important aspect that's missing!
I’d be far more interested in the maximum time in between updates...and, if we’re being honest, an entire plot of all of the durations between updates. Insatiable curiosity, and all that.
159 days is the longest they have gone, prior to now. (October 12, 2017 - March 20th, 2018)
It has currently been 205 days since our last update (March 17th, 2020)
If it's because they're making Decripit Legendaries™ a separate pool, then it's worth the wait.
I really hope that this is the case. However then you get to the thorny question of do the existing premium packs turn into Decrepit Legendary Packs or more recent Legendary Packs?
What I can say is that I am reluctant to buy that $50 offer without knowing the answers to these questions. I want to buy it, it's a good deal in theory, but the premiums packs as they stand are likely just honor for me, or a fuse of a character that I never use already and 1 fuse won't make much of a difference to that.
I would love it if DL’s became a separate pool; and yet I do not see TP potentially reducing a revenue stream by separating out packs into DL’s and, for lack of a better term, “recents”. It is nice to dream though (and I do hope for it)...
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I’d be far more interested in the maximum time in between updates...and, if we’re being honest, an entire plot of all of the durations between updates. Insatiable curiosity, and all that.
159 days is the longest they have gone, prior to now. (October 12, 2017 - March 20th, 2018)
It has currently been 205 days since our last update (March 17th, 2020)
If it's because they're making Decripit Legendaries™ a separate pool, then it's worth the wait.
I really hope that this is the case. However then you get to the thorny question of do the existing premium packs turn into Decrepit Legendary Packs or more recent Legendary Packs?
What I can say is that I am reluctant to buy that $50 offer without knowing the answers to these questions. I want to buy it, it's a good deal in theory, but the premiums packs as they stand are likely just honor for me, or a fuse of a character that I never use already and 1 fuse won't make much of a difference to that.
I would love it if DL’s became a separate pool; and yet I do not see TP potentially reducing a revenue stream by separating out packs into DL’s and, for lack of a better term, “recents”. It is nice to dream though (and I do hope for it)...
I'm not sure how much of a revenue stream it is though. Currently we already have super-rares that are significantly stronger at 4/4* than an old 1/5* or even 3/5*. It won't be long until we have super-rares that are stronger at 4/4* than an old 5/5*. Which means that even new players will have disappointing experiences with "useless" begolds.
Given how rare and expensive legendary drops are, it's of no advantage to the company if one in three of them turns out to be disappointing to most of their playerbase.
I’d be far more interested in the maximum time in between updates...and, if we’re being honest, an entire plot of all of the durations between updates. Insatiable curiosity, and all that.
159 days is the longest they have gone, prior to now. (October 12, 2017 - March 20th, 2018)
It has currently been 205 days since our last update (March 17th, 2020)
If it's because they're making Decripit Legendaries™ a separate pool, then it's worth the wait.
I really hope that this is the case. However then you get to the thorny question of do the existing premium packs turn into Decrepit Legendary Packs or more recent Legendary Packs?
What I can say is that I am reluctant to buy that $50 offer without knowing the answers to these questions. I want to buy it, it's a good deal in theory, but the premiums packs as they stand are likely just honor for me, or a fuse of a character that I never use already and 1 fuse won't make much of a difference to that.
I would love it if DL’s became a separate pool; and yet I do not see TP potentially reducing a revenue stream by separating out packs into DL’s and, for lack of a better term, “recents”. It is nice to dream though (and I do hope for it)...
I'm not sure how much of a revenue stream it is though. Currently we already have super-rares that are significantly stronger at 4/4* than an old 1/5* or even 3/5*. It won't be long until we have super-rares that are stronger at 4/4* than an old 5/5*. Which means that even new players will have disappointing experiences with "useless" begolds.
Given how rare and expensive legendary drops are, it's of no advantage to the company if one in three of them turns out to be disappointing to most of their playerbase.
People still buy dilithium/packs and various combinations of deals offered (like the 10 packs for $9.99 as well as others we’ve seen). The more characters in the pack, the less your odds of obtaining who you’d like. You may even be enticed to try again in a single pack purchase or another TP “deal” offer. That was my thought process on the post. Just my humble opinion.
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I’d be far more interested in the maximum time in between updates...and, if we’re being honest, an entire plot of all of the durations between updates. Insatiable curiosity, and all that.
159 days is the longest they have gone, prior to now. (October 12, 2017 - March 20th, 2018)
It has currently been 205 days since our last update (March 17th, 2020)
If it's because they're making Decripit Legendaries™ a separate pool, then it's worth the wait.
I really hope that this is the case. However then you get to the thorny question of do the existing premium packs turn into Decrepit Legendary Packs or more recent Legendary Packs?
What I can say is that I am reluctant to buy that $50 offer without knowing the answers to these questions. I want to buy it, it's a good deal in theory, but the premiums packs as they stand are likely just honor for me, or a fuse of a character that I never use already and 1 fuse won't make much of a difference to that.
I would love it if DL’s became a separate pool; and yet I do not see TP potentially reducing a revenue stream by separating out packs into DL’s and, for lack of a better term, “recents”. It is nice to dream though (and I do hope for it)...
I'm not sure how much of a revenue stream it is though. Currently we already have super-rares that are significantly stronger at 4/4* than an old 1/5* or even 3/5*. It won't be long until we have super-rares that are stronger at 4/4* than an old 5/5*. Which means that even new players will have disappointing experiences with "useless" begolds.
Given how rare and expensive legendary drops are, it's of no advantage to the company if one in three of them turns out to be disappointing to most of their playerbase.
People still buy dilithium/packs and various combinations of deals offered (like the 10 packs for $9.99 as well as others we’ve seen). The more characters in the pack, the less your odds of obtaining who you’d like. You may even be enticed to try again in a single pack purchase or another TP “deal” offer. That was my thought process on the post. Just my humble opinion.
But how many people hold back on buying packs or dilithium, because of how low the chances are to get something that they actually want or need for their gameplay?
I mean, I don't know the numbers, so you could be right. It all depends on how many people are happy with how things are or are willing to spend more out of frustration vs how many choose to spend less or nothing at all because they know that the experience would probably be disappointing.
I’d be far more interested in the maximum time in between updates...and, if we’re being honest, an entire plot of all of the durations between updates. Insatiable curiosity, and all that.
159 days is the longest they have gone, prior to now. (October 12, 2017 - March 20th, 2018)
It has currently been 205 days since our last update (March 17th, 2020)
If it's because they're making Decripit Legendaries™ a separate pool, then it's worth the wait.
I’d be far more interested in the maximum time in between updates...and, if we’re being honest, an entire plot of all of the durations between updates. Insatiable curiosity, and all that.
159 days is the longest they have gone, prior to now. (October 12, 2017 - March 20th, 2018)
It has currently been 205 days since our last update (March 17th, 2020)
If it's because they're making Decripit Legendaries™ a separate pool, then it's worth the wait.
I really hope that this is the case. However then you get to the thorny question of do the existing premium packs turn into Decrepit Legendary Packs or more recent Legendary Packs?
What I can say is that I am reluctant to buy that $50 offer without knowing the answers to these questions. I want to buy it, it's a good deal in theory, but the premiums packs as they stand are likely just honor for me, or a fuse of a character that I never use already and 1 fuse won't make much of a difference to that.
I would love it if DL’s became a separate pool; and yet I do not see TP potentially reducing a revenue stream by separating out packs into DL’s and, for lack of a better term, “recents”. It is nice to dream though (and I do hope for it)...
I'm not sure how much of a revenue stream it is though. Currently we already have super-rares that are significantly stronger at 4/4* than an old 1/5* or even 3/5*. It won't be long until we have super-rares that are stronger at 4/4* than an old 5/5*. Which means that even new players will have disappointing experiences with "useless" begolds.
Given how rare and expensive legendary drops are, it's of no advantage to the company if one in three of them turns out to be disappointing to most of their playerbase.
People still buy dilithium/packs and various combinations of deals offered (like the 10 packs for $9.99 as well as others we’ve seen). The more characters in the pack, the less your odds of obtaining who you’d like. You may even be enticed to try again in a single pack purchase or another TP “deal” offer. That was my thought process on the post. Just my humble opinion.
But how many people hold back on buying packs or dilithium, because of how low the chances are to get something that they actually want or need for their gameplay?
I mean, I don't know the numbers, so you could be right. It all depends on how many people are happy with how things are or are willing to spend more out of frustration vs how many choose to spend less or nothing at all because they know that the experience would probably be disappointing.
Very true. I could be way off base. It would be nice to have that information from TP. As a business, I just have to think that if TP weren’t making sufficient income off that revenue stream, they’d tweak it. Then again, maybe they will tweak it? And that might be due to an ineffective revenue process? The future will tell us. I’d welcome the change; I’m just not getting my hopes up.
We’ve all been at this familiar juncture before. Hopes up, dreams crushed! 😆
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I'm sitting on 100+ packs now. It would be pretty nice to get some news about a portal update soon. We're way past due compared to all previous updates.
@ShadowPresence, who are you using the free 4* campaign citations on? For me, crew like Shelby, Fajo, and Braxton get them since they are not in portal after their events. I‘d just let random drops from packs and voyages close out any older in-portal cards (e.g., Russell). The only exceptions I’ve made were 4th stars for Capt Janeway and Indignant Seven, both to enable their 5* fusions.
@ShadowPresence, who are you using the free 4* campaign citations on? For me, crew like Shelby, Fajo, and Braxton get them since they are not in portal after their events. I‘d just let random drops from packs and voyages close out any older in-portal cards (e.g., Russell). The only exceptions I’ve made were 4th stars for Capt Janeway and Indignant Seven, both to enable their 5* fusions.
That's what I did. I used them to immortalize Evolved Janeway and get Indulgent Seven. And those 4* that aren't in the portal yet aren't a big priority for me. They're just collecting age at this point.
1. PORTAL. The thing that's missing is a regular Portal update schedule. At the start of every season -or- Mega TP should add all crew that are 6 months old (or so). They can then put out some social media post like New season!!! "NOW in the portal" and list the few crew that have been added since the last update. This is a win-win for players and TP. Players will spend Dilithium or cash to keep regularly chasing missing crew increasing revenue (as opposed to players sitting on unopened pulls), and players can fill in collections.
2. CRAFTING. Adding hundreds of crew over time to the portal makes targeted crew almost impossible to obtain. A simple crafting system where players can work to collect Legendary crafting components one per week, then over say after 2-3 months when they collect enough the can craft one specific crew of their choice. This would do wonders to help, VIP0 players, new players get a top tier crew, and veteran players fill in a missing star or crew. The crafting component should be limited but available to all players with enough effort. Possibly a top threshold reward one step above the Solo VP x10 portal pull reward. Obviously TP would have to decide if players need to get to the new max threshold 8-12 times for single crafted Gold.
Captain's log, stardate 201102:
Today's date is a numeric palindrome and it's been 230 days since the last portal update. The crew is restless. They are eager to be joined by reinforcements. Commander La Forge and Lieutenant Scott argued about buffer time again today. You would think those two would separate themselves, given the new space that was recently added to the crew quarters. The rest of the crew is tired of being dragged into the same arguments. I've mandated extra holodeck time to both officers in hopes that they blow off steam away from the rest of the crew. I'm worried at the amount of time Geordi spends with Dr. Brahms, though. Maybe if we can get new crew, Mr. La Forge can divert his attention back to real colleagues.
Hopefully, the portal gets an update faster than Kim gets a promotion on Voyager...
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Captain's log, stardate 201103:
Reinforcements have still not arrived. Rogue Harry Kim has suggested that drastic measures may need to be taken to get more crew. I have assured him that won't be happening this month. Kim then suggested that I put it to a vote amongst the crew. I fear it would take several days to get the results and the crew may grow more restless in that time. We won't be voting on this issue. In fact, if Rogue Harry Kim were still in Starfleet, I would consider demoting him. Could he be demoted back to cadet? I don't know. We weren't supposed to be away from the Federation for so long without rotating in more crew. 231 days with this bunch of misfits is starting to wear on all of us. If Q shows up before I hear from Starfleet, I might be tempted to cut a deal with him. Let's hope that temptation doesn't rear it's head.
(On a serious note, if you live in the US, go vote today if you haven't already done so. )
So what are your bets on which is more liekly? Portal update just before or just after the traditional December Elusive Treasures?
After. Historically, ET packs have been done right before a portal update when the not-in-portal collection of crew is at its largest and the players are at their hungriest to bite on the packs and the special offers that usually accompany them.
Captain's log, stardate 201104:
I've asked Trip and Hoshi to run a full diagnostic on the coms systems. I suspect they are working properly, but I have to make sure the crew knows I am doing everything in my power to get those reinforcements. Trip tried to tell me that he has more important things to do, but the look he received from an overworked councilor Troi should be all the assurance he needs that the coms system is a pressing task. Hoshi seems to take the task seriously since we haven't picked up any new alien crew in a while. She is eager to learn a new language.
Harry Kim tried that ill-advised vote yesterday. It's going as poorly as I told him it would. No wonder he was never promoted.
I saved up over 100 packs when waiting for the LAST portal update. I cashed them in, and got exactly 2 crew of the ones I was looking for. I STILL don't pull the ones I need, even though they are definitely in the portal.
I think the problem now is less a portal update (I agree those should be more frequent) and more a diluted pool of crew. The value of 1 pack has gone down considerably over the past couple years as a result (and not the price!).
Man, if they dropped the price on the current premium pack, and made a NEW pack that hit Ultra Rares with one guaranteed gold for the same price (or even a little more) - the pack market would explode.
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So what are your bets on which is more liekly? Portal update just before or just after the traditional December Elusive Treasures?
What odds are being offered? (hypothetical of course)
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Existing packs would remain as premium pulls. It would have to be announced a couple weeks in advance so players could pull from the existing pool, if they so desire. It would be kind of lame to convert purchased packs to packs of a lesser dilithium value.
(This is all my idea of how it should work and not necessarily how WRG would actually implement the idea, if they ever do.)
There can be simple (this not same as popular!) solutions to this:
a) packs in your stock must be used by <date>, after which a update will be pushed introducing a tiered pack approach
or
b) packs in your stock will be tier 1 as that is what they were when you bought them; you can convert up to xx% to the lower tier at a multiplier of new::old
or something similar along those lines
That’s a wonderful idea in theory. But given how the fuzzy logic already employed for items will supply plenty of duplicates of existing items, I can see this backfiring a bit - the expectation would be set up that you’ll always have a chance at finishing an incomplete ship, which would then be violently dashed by getting your 12,000th schematic for the HMS Bounty.
-- Dr. Zefram Cochrane, around 2073
129 and counting.......
I would love it if DL’s became a separate pool; and yet I do not see TP potentially reducing a revenue stream by separating out packs into DL’s and, for lack of a better term, “recents”. It is nice to dream though (and I do hope for it)...
I'm not sure how much of a revenue stream it is though. Currently we already have super-rares that are significantly stronger at 4/4* than an old 1/5* or even 3/5*. It won't be long until we have super-rares that are stronger at 4/4* than an old 5/5*. Which means that even new players will have disappointing experiences with "useless" begolds.
Given how rare and expensive legendary drops are, it's of no advantage to the company if one in three of them turns out to be disappointing to most of their playerbase.
People still buy dilithium/packs and various combinations of deals offered (like the 10 packs for $9.99 as well as others we’ve seen). The more characters in the pack, the less your odds of obtaining who you’d like. You may even be enticed to try again in a single pack purchase or another TP “deal” offer. That was my thought process on the post. Just my humble opinion.
But how many people hold back on buying packs or dilithium, because of how low the chances are to get something that they actually want or need for their gameplay?
I mean, I don't know the numbers, so you could be right. It all depends on how many people are happy with how things are or are willing to spend more out of frustration vs how many choose to spend less or nothing at all because they know that the experience would probably be disappointing.
if that is the case....glad i maxed Shinzon
While I'm a little grouchy we didn't get one over the summer, at this point I'm probably waiting for the next honor sale anyway.
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Very true. I could be way off base. It would be nice to have that information from TP. As a business, I just have to think that if TP weren’t making sufficient income off that revenue stream, they’d tweak it. Then again, maybe they will tweak it? And that might be due to an ineffective revenue process? The future will tell us. I’d welcome the change; I’m just not getting my hopes up.
We’ve all been at this familiar juncture before. Hopes up, dreams crushed! 😆
Yeah, some of these guys are getting pretty old!
That's what I did. I used them to immortalize Evolved Janeway and get Indulgent Seven. And those 4* that aren't in the portal yet aren't a big priority for me. They're just collecting age at this point.
2. CRAFTING. Adding hundreds of crew over time to the portal makes targeted crew almost impossible to obtain. A simple crafting system where players can work to collect Legendary crafting components one per week, then over say after 2-3 months when they collect enough the can craft one specific crew of their choice. This would do wonders to help, VIP0 players, new players get a top tier crew, and veteran players fill in a missing star or crew. The crafting component should be limited but available to all players with enough effort. Possibly a top threshold reward one step above the Solo VP x10 portal pull reward. Obviously TP would have to decide if players need to get to the new max threshold 8-12 times for single crafted Gold.
Today's date is a numeric palindrome and it's been 230 days since the last portal update. The crew is restless. They are eager to be joined by reinforcements. Commander La Forge and Lieutenant Scott argued about buffer time again today. You would think those two would separate themselves, given the new space that was recently added to the crew quarters. The rest of the crew is tired of being dragged into the same arguments. I've mandated extra holodeck time to both officers in hopes that they blow off steam away from the rest of the crew. I'm worried at the amount of time Geordi spends with Dr. Brahms, though. Maybe if we can get new crew, Mr. La Forge can divert his attention back to real colleagues.
Ooooo that one hurts.
Reinforcements have still not arrived. Rogue Harry Kim has suggested that drastic measures may need to be taken to get more crew. I have assured him that won't be happening this month. Kim then suggested that I put it to a vote amongst the crew. I fear it would take several days to get the results and the crew may grow more restless in that time. We won't be voting on this issue. In fact, if Rogue Harry Kim were still in Starfleet, I would consider demoting him. Could he be demoted back to cadet? I don't know. We weren't supposed to be away from the Federation for so long without rotating in more crew. 231 days with this bunch of misfits is starting to wear on all of us. If Q shows up before I hear from Starfleet, I might be tempted to cut a deal with him. Let's hope that temptation doesn't rear it's head.
(On a serious note, if you live in the US, go vote today if you haven't already done so.
After. Historically, ET packs have been done right before a portal update when the not-in-portal collection of crew is at its largest and the players are at their hungriest to bite on the packs and the special offers that usually accompany them.
I've asked Trip and Hoshi to run a full diagnostic on the coms systems. I suspect they are working properly, but I have to make sure the crew knows I am doing everything in my power to get those reinforcements. Trip tried to tell me that he has more important things to do, but the look he received from an overworked councilor Troi should be all the assurance he needs that the coms system is a pressing task. Hoshi seems to take the task seriously since we haven't picked up any new alien crew in a while. She is eager to learn a new language.
Harry Kim tried that ill-advised vote yesterday. It's going as poorly as I told him it would. No wonder he was never promoted.
I think the problem now is less a portal update (I agree those should be more frequent) and more a diluted pool of crew. The value of 1 pack has gone down considerably over the past couple years as a result (and not the price!).
Man, if they dropped the price on the current premium pack, and made a NEW pack that hit Ultra Rares with one guaranteed gold for the same price (or even a little more) - the pack market would explode.
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What odds are being offered?
5000 Quatloos for after Elusive Treasures
300 Quatloos for after the Convergence Day honor sale