I think the problem DB ran into was that they want an existing super rare crew for each event and there just were not many existing augments that people have, just young khan. So db added in arik soong who created augments. Then they were stuck.
I think this is a good premise. I also think that this could also be a "failure to communicate".
Players: DS9 / Augment Mega Event = Lots of DS9 / Augment crew
DB: DS9 / Augment Mega Event = Events and Story centered around DS9 / Augments but not necessarily the crew. [Some of the event crew could already be crew in the production pipeline.]
Other than the initial intro of the event, Bell Riots Jadzia Dax is not mentioned in any of the story text I read, but Malik and Danar are all over the place, as well as Arik Soong. Did I miss something?
When I taught school and we teachers were given new state standards, we didn't redo all our curriculum to match what we were told. We put in only as much new stuff as was needed and then tweaked what we already did (usually the sequence of when we did what) to meet the new requirements.
I guess DB did the same. They had half of what they wanted to do already planned and made it fit whatever we simple players "voted" on. Then they added a few new items. Bells riots and Species whateverthenumberwas might likely have been tweaked to meet multiple possibilities.
With all these furious reactions here about why not this, why not that etc. DB would be wise to keep the concrete (mega) event conditions kinda abstract. People would not vomit out their disappointed expections, would not come with these silly character ratios (which would make things boring and predictable). And would "judge" simply by the flow of the event, how many of their fav characters they got and stuff like that.
When I taught school and we teachers were given new state standards, we didn't redo all our curriculum to match what we were told. We put in only as much new stuff as was needed and then tweaked what we already did (usually the sequence of when we did what) to meet the new requirements.
I guess DB did the same. They had half of what they wanted to do already planned and made it fit whatever we simple players "voted" on. Then they added a few new items. Bells riots and Species whateverthenumberwas might likely have been tweaked to meet multiple possibilities.
Yeah I was thinking much the same the other day. Make some existing event ideas and crew fit what the players voted on, rather than building it from the ground up.
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When I taught school and we teachers were given new state standards, we didn't redo all our curriculum to match what we were told. We put in only as much new stuff as was needed and then tweaked what we already did (usually the sequence of when we did what) to meet the new requirements.
I guess DB did the same. They had half of what they wanted to do already planned and made it fit whatever we simple players "voted" on. Then they added a few new items. Bells riots and Species whateverthenumberwas might likely have been tweaked to meet multiple possibilities.
Yeah I was thinking much the same the other day. Make some existing event ideas and crew fit what the players voted on, rather than building it from the ground up.
XXX versus XXX, just change the text. Make sure sure there's a sprinkling of crew from all series to keep the most rabid fans of each series happy, repeat of old cards (this one is easy) and you are left five legendaries to concoct - all of whom have been very welcomed so far, despite people whinging about Darth Bashir and his hood (which others think is very cool) and some new 4 stars which don't have too much stat creep because of the complaints about stat creep, and viola! Here we are!
I'd have preferred a smashing new engineering super-rare augment, but I don't think I'll get it. Others wanted Admiral Patrick and the gang (sorry for your loss) and others voted for something else.
I'm not too keen on Drone 7 but everyone else has been good so far. She's the engineer, I already have unfortunately, but solid for new players. They won't be complaining. Species 8472 - and not in weird packs but event packs so cheaper - and I'm absolutely sure that DB have twisted the storyline to make it all fit rather nicely.
It just leaves it wide open for the last week. Assimilated Burnham won't happen, we've already got assimilated Janeway, all good there, it's the last week I'm curious about now. Maybe some more folks from TNG will make an appearance, who knows? We've only had one so far! I'm still hanging out for O'Brien and he'll satisfy TNG and DS9 fans and my thirst for engineering crew.
One last observation, the TOS Klingons or the ENT Klingons that have what people expect when Augment is mention, so we can actually call them Augments.
If augment implies an improvement, which to me it does, then I don't think post TOS Klingons would consider TOS era Klingons augmented. They're said to be afflicted by the augment virus. Virus gives it a negative connotation. The virus made them more like humans - not considered an improvement.
That’s not quite what happened. To understand what happened we have to dig into a truely aweful ENT arc. (IMHO the difference in Klingons did not need to be explained and if an explanation was necessary it certainly should have been left to better writers)
The Klingons suffering from the virus were dying, They were augmented with the human DNA from the “Augments” (capital A) which mutated into a virus and killed them. That’s not how science works, but hey ENT writers. The virus was spreading so the Klingons surrounded the planet so no one else would get the virus. Those millions of Klingons world have died but Phlox came up with a cure. It’s the cure that made them look human NOT the Augment virus.
Phlox cured the planets impacted by the virus (it had spread before the quarantine) but there were still dozens of Klingon planets that never got infected so essentially there were two sets of Klingons at the same time. Ridge and Ridgeless (those who needed Phlox’s cure because they were infected.
Which then if I understand correctly creates an even bigger plot hole called Kor, Koloth and Kang.
What bothers me is that the option didn't have to be in the mega or never appearing. There will be a galaxy event in July outside of a mega event. DB could have taken 8472, Drone 7, and another new 4* and had everyone excited for that Galaxy event. Instead they shoehorned them into a mega event when fans voted on DS9/Augments. Stick Augment RIker and a new 5* Dukat/Weyoun and people would have been happy this week.
DB took a character people have been asking for for years and burned half the good will by failing to predict the completely obvious fan reaction of including it in a DS9/Augment event.
I think DB has realized too many players are doing threshold and out. But instead of recognizing the problem is the amount of extra work they've created by not moving the reward bands, they've decided to make the threshold less appealing.
You could be right, if so my participation in events will be reduced to pretty much just Megas and faction events. The honour is nice, but not for the effort and replicator juice.
May as well level up my existing roster and wait until enough new cards are added to the portal to make buying packs worthwhile again.
Having had a little time to mull over everything, I think it's the inclusion of Drone Seven of Nine that taints this one.
But would make sense. I think DB are going for a follow on to the VOY episode "In the Flesh" where 8472 built the infrastructure to infiltrate Starfleet, but in this case they've infiltrated the Augments to cause trouble in the Alpha Quadrant.
And Drone Seven is from Scorpion. Which is where we're introduced to 8472.
It also parallels the paranoia aspects of the Dominion War without using the Dominion.
And the ENT Augment arc comes from a throwaway 4th-wall breaking joke in "Trials and Tribbleations" where O'Brien goes "*those* are Klingons?" and Worf responds with "we don't like to talk about it." Kudos to the ENT writers (not a phrase I use often) for having the artistry to do that, but it did leave massive plot holes.
So whilst I'm hoping for a heavy DS9 presence in the last event, I can't say DB have broken either the spirit or the wording of the Mega and, if they're going the way I think they are, it's a nice plot that would likely deserve fleshing out.
As for why the O'Brien/Worf chat was 4th wall breaking, it was a wink to viewers that 60's Trek was very much constrained by the effects of the time. It should also have been a warning on the dangers of doing prequels to a decades old show, in that you have to update the effects and technology to retain the futurism, but then you get complaints from those who haven't the capabilities to understand that despite many previous examples.
So yeah, DB offers us plenty of reasons to grab the pitchforks, I just don't think this is one of them.
One last observation, the TOS Klingons or the ENT Klingons that have what people expect when Augment is mention, so we can actually call them Augments.
If augment implies an improvement, which to me it does, then I don't think post TOS Klingons would consider TOS era Klingons augmented. They're said to be afflicted by the augment virus. Virus gives it a negative connotation. The virus made them more like humans - not considered an improvement.
True Klingons would never accept that human DNA is an improvement. But the definition of Augment does include that Klingons were augmented with human DNA.
However, you do make me think of another interesting fact. We really seem to be dealing with people who were Augmented. Not with children of augments.
Have to add I have not read the Star Trek books. So I have always felt in the TV series that eugenic augments embryos DNA was changed to create improvements.
I'm a bit fuzzy on your meaning, but if I follow correctly, you're observing that the augmentation was done to embryos rather than to already born children? If so, we only really have the ENT trilogy to look at when the augmentation process was done. There, Arik Soong worked on embryos. There is at least one known exception, and that's Julian Bashir. In "Doctor Bashir, I Presume?", where we learn he is augmented, it comes out that his parents had him augmented after he displayed physical and mental weaknesses in his early years.
Actually I was thinking of children born to augments. I am not sure if TOS Klingons are children of the experimented Klingons of ENT.
All you have to do is look up the meaning of augment. Klingons in ENT had human DNA added to their own DNA at attempt to also give the human augmented DNA. They in the end failed in giving them the humans augmented DNA but did give them human DNA. Which means these Klingons were augmented with human DNA.
By the way how do they get human DNA without augment part. Once DNA has been augmented, how can it not contain both. Are they implying three strands rather than two?
the definition of Augment does include that Klingons were augmented with human DNA.
Except we don't know what DB is using as the definition of Augment. Or augment.
Dead on, on that one.
So far I think their definition does have Human. But the augment part is Khan and his group, Malik and his group , and Bashir. (I forgot the misfits)
I was thinking of this as human and augment. But the thing we're trying to define being in the definition does not work.
One last observation, the TOS Klingons or the ENT Klingons that have what people expect when Augment is mention, so we can actually call them Augments.
If augment implies an improvement, which to me it does, then I don't think post TOS Klingons would consider TOS era Klingons augmented. They're said to be afflicted by the augment virus. Virus gives it a negative connotation. The virus made them more like humans - not considered an improvement.
That’s not quite what happened. To understand what happened we have to dig into a truely aweful ENT arc. (IMHO the difference in Klingons did not need to be explained and if an explanation was necessary it certainly should have been left to better writers)
The Klingons suffering from the virus were dying, They were augmented with the human DNA from the “Augments” (capital A) which mutated into a virus and killed them. That’s not how science works, but hey ENT writers. The virus was spreading so the Klingons surrounded the planet so no one else would get the virus. Those millions of Klingons world have died but Phlox came up with a cure. It’s the cure that made them look human NOT the Augment virus.
Phlox cured the planets impacted by the virus (it had spread before the quarantine) but there were still dozens of Klingon planets that never got infected so essentially there were two sets of Klingons at the same time. Ridge and Ridgeless (those who needed Phlox’s cure because they were infected.
You may have figured it out. I was still confused by the episode. It seemed they said there was phases to the augmentation. Phase one gave them human appearance. Phase two gave them augment part plus the infection. In the episode they said they stopped it at phase one with the cure.
I totally agree with you about how bad this episode was written.
I too felt that this was needless to do in attempt to explain TOS Klingons.
We all know that they did not have the budget to give them the look they really wanted.
They should have left it at that.
And that Tribble DS9 episode, either ignore the difference, or use special effect to give them the Klingon look.
Well I do enjoy Timelines so I decided to give something back to DB. I've jazzed up the start up screen art to reflect the new 4* and 5* cards for the finale.
No need to thank me DB. Gungan Warrior 5* will be a huge hit.
Well I do enjoy Timelines so I decided to give something back to DB. I've jazzed up the start up screen art to reflect the new 4* and 5* cards for the finale.
No need to thank me DB. Gungan Warrior 5* will be a huge hit.
as much as i'd love to collect 8472, we are week 3 of the DS9 event that has had nothing to do with DS9. I would suspected there should have been a strong Dominion/DS9 crew event, but it's been strongly Augment and everything else. Why did we vote on this?
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I think this is a good premise. I also think that this could also be a "failure to communicate".
Players: DS9 / Augment Mega Event = Lots of DS9 / Augment crew
DB: DS9 / Augment Mega Event = Events and Story centered around DS9 / Augments but not necessarily the crew. [Some of the event crew could already be crew in the production pipeline.]
Other than the initial intro of the event, Bell Riots Jadzia Dax is not mentioned in any of the story text I read, but Malik and Danar are all over the place, as well as Arik Soong. Did I miss something?
I guess DB did the same. They had half of what they wanted to do already planned and made it fit whatever we simple players "voted" on. Then they added a few new items. Bells riots and Species whateverthenumberwas might likely have been tweaked to meet multiple possibilities.
Yeah I was thinking much the same the other day. Make some existing event ideas and crew fit what the players voted on, rather than building it from the ground up.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
XXX versus XXX, just change the text. Make sure sure there's a sprinkling of crew from all series to keep the most rabid fans of each series happy, repeat of old cards (this one is easy) and you are left five legendaries to concoct - all of whom have been very welcomed so far, despite people whinging about Darth Bashir and his hood (which others think is very cool) and some new 4 stars which don't have too much stat creep because of the complaints about stat creep, and viola! Here we are!
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I'm not too keen on Drone 7 but everyone else has been good so far. She's the engineer, I already have unfortunately, but solid for new players. They won't be complaining. Species 8472 - and not in weird packs but event packs so cheaper - and I'm absolutely sure that DB have twisted the storyline to make it all fit rather nicely.
It just leaves it wide open for the last week. Assimilated Burnham won't happen, we've already got assimilated Janeway, all good there, it's the last week I'm curious about now. Maybe some more folks from TNG will make an appearance, who knows? We've only had one so far! I'm still hanging out for O'Brien and he'll satisfy TNG and DS9 fans and my thirst for engineering crew.
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Which then if I understand correctly creates an even bigger plot hole called Kor, Koloth and Kang.
DB took a character people have been asking for for years and burned half the good will by failing to predict the completely obvious fan reaction of including it in a DS9/Augment event.
You could be right, if so my participation in events will be reduced to pretty much just Megas and faction events. The honour is nice, but not for the effort and replicator juice.
May as well level up my existing roster and wait until enough new cards are added to the portal to make buying packs worthwhile again.
But would make sense. I think DB are going for a follow on to the VOY episode "In the Flesh" where 8472 built the infrastructure to infiltrate Starfleet, but in this case they've infiltrated the Augments to cause trouble in the Alpha Quadrant.
And Drone Seven is from Scorpion. Which is where we're introduced to 8472.
It also parallels the paranoia aspects of the Dominion War without using the Dominion.
And the ENT Augment arc comes from a throwaway 4th-wall breaking joke in "Trials and Tribbleations" where O'Brien goes "*those* are Klingons?" and Worf responds with "we don't like to talk about it." Kudos to the ENT writers (not a phrase I use often) for having the artistry to do that, but it did leave massive plot holes.
So whilst I'm hoping for a heavy DS9 presence in the last event, I can't say DB have broken either the spirit or the wording of the Mega and, if they're going the way I think they are, it's a nice plot that would likely deserve fleshing out.
As for why the O'Brien/Worf chat was 4th wall breaking, it was a wink to viewers that 60's Trek was very much constrained by the effects of the time. It should also have been a warning on the dangers of doing prequels to a decades old show, in that you have to update the effects and technology to retain the futurism, but then you get complaints from those who haven't the capabilities to understand that despite many previous examples.
So yeah, DB offers us plenty of reasons to grab the pitchforks, I just don't think this is one of them.
It's not like it's a difficult number to remember. Species 90210.
Just say it a few times, and you'll never forget!
Species 90210.
Species 90210.
Species 90210.
Wrong event for 8472, Disruptor Beam, totally wrong
DB: “Great! You’ll get whatever makes us the most money.”
You should read them, some really funny ones in there!
Who cares!? We get Species 8472!!!!!!??!!
(Sry for all u ds9 fans, if this were a Voyager mega event w/ 2 ds9 Crew in and event I would be sad)
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Actually I was thinking of children born to augments. I am not sure if TOS Klingons are children of the experimented Klingons of ENT.
All you have to do is look up the meaning of augment. Klingons in ENT had human DNA added to their own DNA at attempt to also give the human augmented DNA. They in the end failed in giving them the humans augmented DNA but did give them human DNA. Which means these Klingons were augmented with human DNA.
By the way how do they get human DNA without augment part. Once DNA has been augmented, how can it not contain both. Are they implying three strands rather than two?
Dead on, on that one.
So far I think their definition does have Human. But the augment part is Khan and his group, Malik and his group , and Bashir. (I forgot the misfits)
I was thinking of this as human and augment. But the thing we're trying to define being in the definition does not work.
You may have figured it out. I was still confused by the episode. It seemed they said there was phases to the augmentation. Phase one gave them human appearance. Phase two gave them augment part plus the infection. In the episode they said they stopped it at phase one with the cure.
I totally agree with you about how bad this episode was written.
I too felt that this was needless to do in attempt to explain TOS Klingons.
We all know that they did not have the budget to give them the look they really wanted.
They should have left it at that.
And that Tribble DS9 episode, either ignore the difference, or use special effect to give them the Klingon look.
I know you are joking but Jedi Spock would be amazing! Though even he could not have saved Star Wars The Last Jedi.
Yeah that movie was a super train wreck. So was Solo.
No need to thank me DB. Gungan Warrior 5* will be a huge hit.
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I liked Solo a lot, but that is probably a topic for a different post.
I would go for Jedi Spock, but I don't think Gungan Warriors would go over well.