Oh god why did DB have to remind me of that awful Short Trek?
Yeah, I found it painfully unfunny. (Benjamin can be good, but he was doing the exact same character he always does, and I thought the writing and direction was abysmal.) But more than that, it was painfully un-Trek-like. I enjoy Disco and most of the other Short Treks, but that one was a stinker, through and through. (Adding an obligatory "in my opinion".)
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
sooooo while that short trek was indeed terrible, i'm more interested in something else...what do we think the ingredients will be to make worf's risa underwear?
sooooo while that short trek was indeed terrible, i'm more interested in something else...what do we think the ingredients will be to make worf's risa underwear?
Oh god why did DB have to remind me of that awful Short Trek?
Yeah, I found it painfully unfunny. (Benjamin can be good, but he was doing the exact same character he always does, and I thought the writing and direction was abysmal.) But more than that, it was painfully un-Trek-like. I enjoy Disco and most of the other Short Treks, but that one was a stinker, through and through. (Adding an obligatory "in my opinion".)
Personally, I thought it was a great episode. It was hilarious, of course. But more than that, it showed a captain that wasn't great. Not every captain is a Kirk or a Picard, an Archer or a Janeway, not even a Sisko. It takes someone truly special to captain the flagship of the Federation. Lucero was not such a captain. Or if she became one later, then she had to learn a valuable lesson on her first mission.
It may not be the Trek we grew up with, but for 12 minutes, we got to see part of Starfleet that wasn't the cream of the crop.
Now... If they give her a series... then there is a lot of explaining to do or I'm jumping ship and joining you guys.
Worf: SEC/ENG/CMD
SEC because Worf
ENG because he sabotaged the weather
CMD also because Worf.
Lucero: SCI/SEC/CMD
SCI because that seemed to be her thing
SEC because that's what you need when things go horribly wrong
CMD because she was captain, but tertiary because she wasn't great at leading
The real question in that case is how Star Fleet “Peter Principled” him into such a job
That, we can agree on. He must have been doing something special for an Admiral somewhere
What I'm finding at the moment, on Twitter and Reddit, is that no-one seems to be able to say anything negative about Discovery or its Short Treks without someone else piping up and saying that the negativity is due to racism/sexism/homophobia/etc... Its irritating because I'm a Trekkie - I understand the concept of IDIC.
I simply don't like Discovery because I feel the writing is substandard!
The problem is that so much of the criticism is due to or wrapped up in racism/sexism/homophobia couched as general dislike of the series that it is very hard to parse out and have a good discussion about the pros and cons of the series. I think if you keep watching Discovery or give it another chance you will enjoy it. It is a fun show with new trek storylines, interesting new characters, and amazing special effects. I know I hated Discovery the first two episodes but kept watching and now I love it. The big problem Discovery had was that the first two episodes were setup that were a bit forced to get the show where it needed to be and that CBS only showed the first episode for free when the show doesn’t get really good until episode 3.
What I have found is that whenever someone complains about something so large as an entire series with something so general as “substandard writing“ (Particulalarly with DSC/DS9) in general if you ask him define that term you start hitting on all of those things you just mentioned. For example if we agree that she did shut Edward down, and shouldn’t have expected him to be a psychopath, I no longer see what she did wrong
I’ll define it here for you then.
IMO, Discovery has substandard writing because:
It relies far too much on “magic” (I.e. the spore drive)
The main character seems to be the solution to almost every problem
The writers have an obsession with nostalgia (the visit to Talos IV was unnecessary for example)
The show feels a bit too “American” at times. The way people act doesn’t seem to reflect how people would act in the real world outside of American TV shows.
The series is suffering from “small world” syndrome. Another symptom of the nostalgia binge the writers are on - Spoke, Pike, Mudd,
The Enterprise, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Trill we’ve seen in the S3 trailers turns out to be Dax.
What I have found is that whenever someone complains about something so large as an entire series with something so general as “substandard writing“ (Particulalarly with DSC/DS9) in general if you ask him define that term you start hitting on all of those things you just mentioned. For example if we agree that she did shut Edward down, and shouldn’t have expected him to be a psychopath, I no longer see what she did wrong
I’ll define it here for you then.
IMO, Discovery has substandard writing because:
It relies far too much on “magic” (I.e. the spore drive)
The main character seems to be the solution to almost every problem
The writers have an obsession with nostalgia (the visit to Talos IV was unnecessary for example)
The show feels a bit too “American” at times. The way people act doesn’t seem to reflect how people would act in the real world outside of American TV shows.
The series is suffering from “small world” syndrome. Another symptom of the nostalgia binge the writers are on - Spoke, Pike, Mudd,
The Enterprise, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Trill we’ve seen in the S3 trailers turns out to be Dax.
Don't forget a few more underlying issues on top of your list:
- unnecessarily changing several established ST canon details (ie: Klingon look/culture)
- terrible character development aside from 2-3 leads
- in this era of bite-size immediate entertainment, the shows seem like forced mini-movies, with little cohesion or sense of adventure/growth of characters or plotlines from show to show (the Lorca/Empress plot was well done in the back half of S1)
Discovery has had some great episodes, but the methodical, story-driven progression that we're used to seeing in past ST shows seems lacking. Too much flash, not enough substance. The worst part is that despite a lot of these issues, I actually see tons of potential that I think they've missed out on thus far.
EDIT: to bring my accidental thread derailment back on track, the biggest frustration for me - as it pertains to this event - is not having access to the Star Trek shorts. They aren't currently on Netflix here in Canada, and I haven't been able to find another way to view them (S1 or S2). Unfortunately, that makes the new 4* irrelevant to me, but I'll be happy to add her to my freezer.
The real question in that case is how Star Fleet “Peter Principled” him into such a job
That, we can agree on. He must have been doing something special for an Admiral somewhere
What I'm finding at the moment, on Twitter and Reddit, is that no-one seems to be able to say anything negative about Discovery or its Short Treks without someone else piping up and saying that the negativity is due to racism/sexism/homophobia/etc... Its irritating because I'm a Trekkie - I understand the concept of IDIC.
I simply don't like Discovery because I feel the writing is substandard!
The problem is that so much of the criticism is due to or wrapped up in racism/sexism/homophobia couched as general dislike of the series that it is very hard to parse out and have a good discussion about the pros and cons of the series. I think if you keep watching Discovery or give it another chance you will enjoy it. It is a fun show with new trek storylines, interesting new characters, and amazing special effects. I know I hated Discovery the first two episodes but kept watching and now I love it. The big problem Discovery had was that the first two episodes were setup that were a bit forced to get the show where it needed to be and that CBS only showed the first episode for free when the show doesn’t get really good until episode 3.
I agree that Discovery gets good in episode 3. But I disagree about the -isms and -phobias. Star Trek is one of the most progressive audiences out there. We generally deserve the benefit of the doubt. If you think it's hard to parse out the -isms and -phobias, that's on you. If it's blatant, then it's there. If it's a fan who's ticked that the new show disrespected canon, then it's legit. Don't go looking for something that's not there. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Star Trek has pioneered so many of those social issues that bigots have long since tuned out. Those of us still here have good intentions.
/end rant
All that said, a guy from my fleet didn't like Discovery until his second time through. Personally, I watch each episode twice when it's released. I think it's totally fair to recommend giving Discovery a second try.
Worf: SEC/ENG/CMD
SEC because Worf
ENG because he sabotaged the weather
CMD also because Worf.
Lucero: SCI/SEC/CMD
SCI because that seemed to be her thing
SEC because that's what you need when things go horribly wrong
CMD because she was captain, but tertiary because she wasn't great at leading
I think you're right on Worf. He currently has just five 5-star variants. Three of them are only two-skillers and four of them are SEC primary. (Governor Worf is CMD/SEC/DIP.) So ideally he'd be ENG/CMD/SEC, I guess? Unless they're trying to avoid releasing three ENG-primary bridge crew from events in a five-week span.
The real question in that case is how Star Fleet “Peter Principled” him into such a job
That, we can agree on. He must have been doing something special for an Admiral somewhere
What I'm finding at the moment, on Twitter and Reddit, is that no-one seems to be able to say anything negative about Discovery or its Short Treks without someone else piping up and saying that the negativity is due to racism/sexism/homophobia/etc... Its irritating because I'm a Trekkie - I understand the concept of IDIC.
I simply don't like Discovery because I feel the writing is substandard!
The problem is that so much of the criticism is due to or wrapped up in racism/sexism/homophobia couched as general dislike of the series that it is very hard to parse out and have a good discussion about the pros and cons of the series. I think if you keep watching Discovery or give it another chance you will enjoy it. It is a fun show with new trek storylines, interesting new characters, and amazing special effects. I know I hated Discovery the first two episodes but kept watching and now I love it. The big problem Discovery had was that the first two episodes were setup that were a bit forced to get the show where it needed to be and that CBS only showed the first episode for free when the show doesn’t get really good until episode 3.
I agree that Discovery gets good in episode 3. But I disagree about the -isms and -phobias. Star Trek is one of the most progressive audiences out there. We generally deserve the benefit of the doubt. If you think it's hard to parse out the -isms and -phobias, that's on you. If it's blatant, then it's there. If it's a fan who's ticked that the new show disrespected canon, then it's legit. Don't go looking for something that's not there. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Star Trek has pioneered so many of those social issues that bigots have long since tuned out. Those of us still here have good intentions.
/end rant
All that said, a guy from my fleet didn't like Discovery until his second time through. Personally, I watch each episode twice when it's released. I think it's totally fair to recommend giving Discovery a second try.
What I have found is that whenever someone complains about something so large as an entire series with something so general as “substandard writing“ (Particulalarly with DSC/DS9) in general if you ask him define that term you start hitting on all of those things you just mentioned. For example if we agree that she did shut Edward down, and shouldn’t have expected him to be a psychopath, I no longer see what she did wrong
I’ll define it here for you then.
IMO, Discovery has substandard writing because:
It relies far too much on “magic” (I.e. the spore drive)
The main character seems to be the solution to almost every problem
The writers have an obsession with nostalgia (the visit to Talos IV was unnecessary for example)
The show feels a bit too “American” at times. The way people act doesn’t seem to reflect how people would act in the real world outside of American TV shows.
The series is suffering from “small world” syndrome. Another symptom of the nostalgia binge the writers are on - Spoke, Pike, Mudd,
The Enterprise, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Trill we’ve seen in the S3 trailers turns out to be Dax.
What strikes me is none of this is your criticism of the character you came in here criticizing, in fact you seem to have abandoned those criticisms. So I certainly don’t feel it’s less likely that this is how you were couching phobias and-isms
What strikes me is none of this is your criticism of the character you came in here criticizing, in fact you seem to have abandoned those criticisms. So I certainly don’t feel it’s less likely that this is how you were couching phobias and-isms
Im beginning to feel like you’re trolling me now.
We have differing opinions about how she handled Edward. You feel that she “shut him down”. I don’t. During the meeting in her office (after he’d sent communiques back to Starfleet) she should have relieved him of duty and confined him to quarters. Instead, she lets him get away with further insubordination and puts him back on duty.
During the Tribble take over of the ship, she appears to be reluctant to take a stronger stance against the Tribbles (I can’t remember, but I think the phasers were set to stun. Just beam them into space!).
And finally, she stood and watched a crewman die. Albeit it was his own fault, but our other Captains would have at least tried to save him (Sisko would have stunned him and dragged His butt into the escape pod).
In Trek, we expect our captains to be brave, intelligent, driven individuals who know how to command regardless of their gender, race, age or species. Her character seemed to be written as a foil for Edwards character.
What strikes me is none of this is your criticism of the character you came in here criticizing, in fact you seem to have abandoned those criticisms. So I certainly don’t feel it’s less likely that this is how you were couching phobias and-isms
Im beginning to feel like you’re trolling me now.
We have differing opinions about how she handled Edward. You feel that she “shut him down”. I don’t. During the meeting in her office (after he’d sent communiques back to Starfleet) she should have relieved him of duty and confined him to quarters. Instead, she lets him get away with further insubordination and puts him back on duty.
During the Tribble take over of the ship, she appears to be reluctant to take a stronger stance against the Tribbles (I can’t remember, but I think the phasers were set to stun. Just beam them into space!).
And finally, she stood and watched a crewman die. Albeit it was his own fault, but our other Captains would have at least tried to save him (Sisko would have stunned him and dragged His butt into the escape pod).
In Trek, we expect our captains to be brave, intelligent, driven individuals who know how to command regardless of their gender, race, age or species. Her character seemed to be written as a foil for Edwards character.
1.So what did you agree with because in the post where you said we can agree on that I said she shut him down but should not have confined him
2. So you want your Starfleet captains less worried about life forms they have not established to not be sentient? Guess you’re really waiting for that section 31 series
3. I thought you hated that the main character in discovery was perfect at everything, but now your complaint is a captain wasn’t able to save a crewmember. Ironically you use Sisko as your example who unquestionably lost the most people under his command as leader of a battlefront, and spent many episodes dealing with exactly that. by running for Edward, she risked everyone in that elevator.
Sisko MIGHT, have vaporized him to save him the indignity of death by Tribble.
4.she followed regulations, and the spirit of Star Fleet. At worst, she didnt assume this officer she had been assigned was a dangerous lunatic without behavior suggesting such a risk. Which in my country is the law. You’re mad, I’ll give you that, but your explanation seems Internally inconsistent. As I said, I find that is often the case
What strikes me is none of this is your criticism of the character you came in here criticizing, in fact you seem to have abandoned those criticisms. So I certainly don’t feel it’s less likely that this is how you were couching phobias and-isms
Im beginning to feel like you’re trolling me now.
We have differing opinions about how she handled Edward. You feel that she “shut him down”. I don’t. During the meeting in her office (after he’d sent communiques back to Starfleet) she should have relieved him of duty and confined him to quarters. Instead, she lets him get away with further insubordination and puts him back on duty.
During the Tribble take over of the ship, she appears to be reluctant to take a stronger stance against the Tribbles (I can’t remember, but I think the phasers were set to stun. Just beam them into space!).
And finally, she stood and watched a crewman die. Albeit it was his own fault, but our other Captains would have at least tried to save him (Sisko would have stunned him and dragged His butt into the escape pod).
In Trek, we expect our captains to be brave, intelligent, driven individuals who know how to command regardless of their gender, race, age or species. Her character seemed to be written as a foil for Edwards character.
Try considering that it's ok to show a less than great (or learning-on-the-job) captain. It makes our old heroes shine brighter. And it's a 12-minute episode. It's ok to make a funny story about how tribbles originated and show why it's so important for Starfleet to select only the best captains.
sooooo while that short trek was indeed terrible, i'm more interested in something else...what do we think the ingredients will be to make worf's risa underwear?
thanks as always Shan!
Every item will require casings [and/or Bat'leths and Mek'leths]
Even advanced builds of prune juice.
1.So what did you agree with because in the post where you said we can agree on that I said she shut him down but should not have confined him
"The real question in that case is how Star Fleet “Peter Principled” him into such a job". That I agree on. Which in itself is another example of terrible writing. How did somebody like him make it through the Academy?
2. So you want your Starfleet captains less worried about life forms they have not established to not be sentient? Guess you’re really waiting for that section 31 series
Picard is forced to kill a creature that is endangering the crew of the Enterprise in Galaxy's Child. The Tribbles showed no signs of sentience before then and were used by Phlox as food supply for his menagerie on the NX-01. And no. I have no stomach for a S31 series. TBH, I didn't enjoyS31 storylines in either ENT or DSC. It took the mysterious out of their existence.
3. I thought you hated that the main character in discovery was perfect at everything, but now your complaint is a captain wasn’t able to save a crewmember. Ironically you use Sisko as your example who unquestionably lost the most people under his command as leader of a battlefront, and spent many episodes dealing with exactly that. by running for Edward, she risked everyone in that elevator.
Sisko MIGHT, have vaporized him to save him the indignity of death by Tribble.
Ok. Now I know that you're trolling me. The main character in Discovery is Michael Burnham, and every story seems to revolve around her solving the problems the ship finds itself in. We're talking about a completely different character here. Perhaps if Burnham was on this ship, she would have rescued everyone, fixed the Tribbles and even found a cure to the famine within the 20 minutes.
Sisko, and other captains, have been shown to do everything in their power to save crewmen (even ones that didn't deserve it). "Last one off the ship" is a common saying among captains. She tried next to nothing to save him.
4.she followed regulations, and the spirit of Star Fleet. At worst, she didnt assume this officer she had been assigned was a dangerous lunatic without behavior suggesting such a risk. Which in my country is the law.
If he had spoken to any other series captain, the way he spoke to her in her office AFTER uncovering his comms to Starfleet, they would have figuratively nailed him to the wall and confined him to quarters. He wouldn't have been given the chance to go anywhere near his Tribbles.
One of my biggest problems with Discovery is that it’s obvious none of the writers have been in the military, and are unwilling to hire and listen to advisors who have.
For those of us who have been in the military, the problems are extreme, and non-ignorable. The characters routinely flout the chain of command, and military customs and courtesies. Actions that should merit court martials, confinement, or dismissal from the service are punished by stern talking-tos or worse, are completely ignored.
And when we bring up these issues, we’re accused of being intolerant, which is true, but not in the sense that people are using it.
The military isn’t a warm, cuddly place where people join hands and sing kumbaya. There’s rules and regulations, and you follow them, or you can get out (or be kicked out.)
Heck, let’s get right to one of the most obvious issues: Tilly doesn’t meet height/weight requirements. I don’t say this because I’m mean and don’t like chubby people. I’m saying this because there are clear and obvious reasons that while aboard a military vessel, a military member needs to meet these requirements.
Instead, the writers have written the cast of Discovery like they’re members of a start-up. Just no.
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Yeah, I found it painfully unfunny. (Benjamin can be good, but he was doing the exact same character he always does, and I thought the writing and direction was abysmal.) But more than that, it was painfully un-Trek-like. I enjoy Disco and most of the other Short Treks, but that one was a stinker, through and through. (Adding an obligatory "in my opinion".)
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Maybe Shelby will be in a Picard Mega.
thanks as always Shan!
Prune juice. Chilled.
Personally, I thought it was a great episode. It was hilarious, of course. But more than that, it showed a captain that wasn't great. Not every captain is a Kirk or a Picard, an Archer or a Janeway, not even a Sisko. It takes someone truly special to captain the flagship of the Federation. Lucero was not such a captain. Or if she became one later, then she had to learn a valuable lesson on her first mission.
It may not be the Trek we grew up with, but for 12 minutes, we got to see part of Starfleet that wasn't the cream of the crop.
Now... If they give her a series... then there is a lot of explaining to do or I'm jumping ship and joining you guys.
A new 4 🌟 that was played by a gorgeous actor? In a Galaxy Event, where I can fully Fuse her? No complaints here.
Worf: SEC/ENG/CMD
SEC because Worf
ENG because he sabotaged the weather
CMD also because Worf.
Lucero: SCI/SEC/CMD
SCI because that seemed to be her thing
SEC because that's what you need when things go horribly wrong
CMD because she was captain, but tertiary because she wasn't great at leading
The problem is that so much of the criticism is due to or wrapped up in racism/sexism/homophobia couched as general dislike of the series that it is very hard to parse out and have a good discussion about the pros and cons of the series. I think if you keep watching Discovery or give it another chance you will enjoy it. It is a fun show with new trek storylines, interesting new characters, and amazing special effects. I know I hated Discovery the first two episodes but kept watching and now I love it. The big problem Discovery had was that the first two episodes were setup that were a bit forced to get the show where it needed to be and that CBS only showed the first episode for free when the show doesn’t get really good until episode 3.
I’ll define it here for you then.
IMO, Discovery has substandard writing because:
It relies far too much on “magic” (I.e. the spore drive)
The main character seems to be the solution to almost every problem
The writers have an obsession with nostalgia (the visit to Talos IV was unnecessary for example)
The show feels a bit too “American” at times. The way people act doesn’t seem to reflect how people would act in the real world outside of American TV shows.
The series is suffering from “small world” syndrome. Another symptom of the nostalgia binge the writers are on - Spoke, Pike, Mudd,
The Enterprise, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Trill we’ve seen in the S3 trailers turns out to be Dax.
Don't forget a few more underlying issues on top of your list:
- unnecessarily changing several established ST canon details (ie: Klingon look/culture)
- terrible character development aside from 2-3 leads
- in this era of bite-size immediate entertainment, the shows seem like forced mini-movies, with little cohesion or sense of adventure/growth of characters or plotlines from show to show (the Lorca/Empress plot was well done in the back half of S1)
Discovery has had some great episodes, but the methodical, story-driven progression that we're used to seeing in past ST shows seems lacking. Too much flash, not enough substance. The worst part is that despite a lot of these issues, I actually see tons of potential that I think they've missed out on thus far.
EDIT: to bring my accidental thread derailment back on track, the biggest frustration for me - as it pertains to this event - is not having access to the Star Trek shorts. They aren't currently on Netflix here in Canada, and I haven't been able to find another way to view them (S1 or S2). Unfortunately, that makes the new 4* irrelevant to me, but I'll be happy to add her to my freezer.
I agree that Discovery gets good in episode 3. But I disagree about the -isms and -phobias. Star Trek is one of the most progressive audiences out there. We generally deserve the benefit of the doubt. If you think it's hard to parse out the -isms and -phobias, that's on you. If it's blatant, then it's there. If it's a fan who's ticked that the new show disrespected canon, then it's legit. Don't go looking for something that's not there. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Star Trek has pioneered so many of those social issues that bigots have long since tuned out. Those of us still here have good intentions.
/end rant
All that said, a guy from my fleet didn't like Discovery until his second time through. Personally, I watch each episode twice when it's released. I think it's totally fair to recommend giving Discovery a second try.
I think you're right on Worf. He currently has just five 5-star variants. Three of them are only two-skillers and four of them are SEC primary. (Governor Worf is CMD/SEC/DIP.) So ideally he'd be ENG/CMD/SEC, I guess? Unless they're trying to avoid releasing three ENG-primary bridge crew from events in a five-week span.
Shakes hand...
Thank you
What strikes me is none of this is your criticism of the character you came in here criticizing, in fact you seem to have abandoned those criticisms. So I certainly don’t feel it’s less likely that this is how you were couching phobias and-isms
Obligatory Poor leader? Check
Galaxy aka chron drain? All check.
Looks like a single build and out next week.
Im beginning to feel like you’re trolling me now.
We have differing opinions about how she handled Edward. You feel that she “shut him down”. I don’t. During the meeting in her office (after he’d sent communiques back to Starfleet) she should have relieved him of duty and confined him to quarters. Instead, she lets him get away with further insubordination and puts him back on duty.
During the Tribble take over of the ship, she appears to be reluctant to take a stronger stance against the Tribbles (I can’t remember, but I think the phasers were set to stun. Just beam them into space!).
And finally, she stood and watched a crewman die. Albeit it was his own fault, but our other Captains would have at least tried to save him (Sisko would have stunned him and dragged His butt into the escape pod).
In Trek, we expect our captains to be brave, intelligent, driven individuals who know how to command regardless of their gender, race, age or species. Her character seemed to be written as a foil for Edwards character.
1.So what did you agree with because in the post where you said we can agree on that I said she shut him down but should not have confined him
2. So you want your Starfleet captains less worried about life forms they have not established to not be sentient? Guess you’re really waiting for that section 31 series
3. I thought you hated that the main character in discovery was perfect at everything, but now your complaint is a captain wasn’t able to save a crewmember. Ironically you use Sisko as your example who unquestionably lost the most people under his command as leader of a battlefront, and spent many episodes dealing with exactly that. by running for Edward, she risked everyone in that elevator.
Sisko MIGHT, have vaporized him to save him the indignity of death by Tribble.
4.she followed regulations, and the spirit of Star Fleet. At worst, she didnt assume this officer she had been assigned was a dangerous lunatic without behavior suggesting such a risk. Which in my country is the law. You’re mad, I’ll give you that, but your explanation seems Internally inconsistent. As I said, I find that is often the case
Try considering that it's ok to show a less than great (or learning-on-the-job) captain. It makes our old heroes shine brighter. And it's a 12-minute episode. It's ok to make a funny story about how tribbles originated and show why it's so important for Starfleet to select only the best captains.
Every item will require casings [and/or Bat'leths and Mek'leths]
Even advanced builds of prune juice.
Not at all. Ugh. Another weekend of not competing
Ok. Now I know that you're trolling me. The main character in Discovery is Michael Burnham, and every story seems to revolve around her solving the problems the ship finds itself in. We're talking about a completely different character here. Perhaps if Burnham was on this ship, she would have rescued everyone, fixed the Tribbles and even found a cure to the famine within the 20 minutes.
Sisko, and other captains, have been shown to do everything in their power to save crewmen (even ones that didn't deserve it). "Last one off the ship" is a common saying among captains. She tried next to nothing to save him.
If he had spoken to any other series captain, the way he spoke to her in her office AFTER uncovering his comms to Starfleet, they would have figuratively nailed him to the wall and confined him to quarters. He wouldn't have been given the chance to go anywhere near his Tribbles. Not sure how I've been inconsistent.
LLAP
For those of us who have been in the military, the problems are extreme, and non-ignorable. The characters routinely flout the chain of command, and military customs and courtesies. Actions that should merit court martials, confinement, or dismissal from the service are punished by stern talking-tos or worse, are completely ignored.
And when we bring up these issues, we’re accused of being intolerant, which is true, but not in the sense that people are using it.
The military isn’t a warm, cuddly place where people join hands and sing kumbaya. There’s rules and regulations, and you follow them, or you can get out (or be kicked out.)
Heck, let’s get right to one of the most obvious issues: Tilly doesn’t meet height/weight requirements. I don’t say this because I’m mean and don’t like chubby people. I’m saying this because there are clear and obvious reasons that while aboard a military vessel, a military member needs to meet these requirements.
Instead, the writers have written the cast of Discovery like they’re members of a start-up. Just no.
Tourist Worf will be a new 3* however.
My apologies!
Belle Q...intriguing.
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Since that 😻 is out of the 👛 is there also a new 2 🌟?
Anyone know who Belle Q is? Google doesn't................