I find it odd that when Burnham disobeyed orders everyone blamed her. But when Edward disobeys orders almost everyone is blaming his captain not him. He disobeyed orders. He caused the problem.
Lorca, Pike, and Saru let Burnham get away with far too much, there is no doubt there. Then again, Lorca had his own plans that didn’t really coincide with Starfleet’s ideals and Saru was more familiar with Burnham than anyone on Discovery...Pike is the odd one out by not having any real excuse for why he didn’t expect more discipline on his ship.
Pike knew that the crew had been through some dark stuff with Lorca and the war events and he knew that he wasn't familiar with them and that his command would only be temporary, so he decided to tread lightly. I think there's a scene in the beginning of the season where he says something of that sort.
I mean, I didn't like season 2 very much, but I don't think that Pike's command style was one of the issues and its explanation made sense to me.
Also, I haven't watched the Short Trek yet, but from what I've seen and read it feels like they tried to do some Orville kind of thing, probably because of all the fans who kept saying that the Orville is better Trek than DSC. Clearly that approach didn't work for everyone either
Also, I haven't watched the Short Trek yet, but from what I've seen and read it feels like they tried to do some Orville kind of thing, probably because of all the fans who kept saying that the Orville is better Trek than DSC. Clearly that approach didn't work for everyone either
but Orville is better than Discovery because Orville is actually trying to be star trek
seriously, who here would rather have Ed and Kelly and Bortas and Isaac and Dr. Kasidy Yates than captain "this conversation is over"?
Also, I haven't watched the Short Trek yet, but from what I've seen and read it feels like they tried to do some Orville kind of thing, probably because of all the fans who kept saying that the Orville is better Trek than DSC. Clearly that approach didn't work for everyone either
but Orville is better than Discovery because Orville is actually trying to be star trek
seriously, who here would rather have Ed and Kelly and Bortas and Isaac and Dr. Kasidy Yates than captain "this conversation is over"?
I enjoy Orville, but I'll take Discovery, thank you. It's trying to move storytelling into the 21st century, rather than being stuck in the past.
Biggest hate was Discovery was on an app. Now that Orville is also, I've seen the hate disappear. People have gotten used to it and helped Picard surge as a result.
I find it odd that when Burnham disobeyed orders everyone blamed her. But when Edward disobeys orders almost everyone is blaming his captain not him. He disobeyed orders. He caused the problem.
Lorca, Pike, and Saru let Burnham get away with far too much, there is no doubt there. Then again, Lorca had his own plans that didn’t really coincide with Starfleet’s ideals and Saru was more familiar with Burnham than anyone on Discovery...Pike is the odd one out by not having any real excuse for why he didn’t expect more discipline on his ship.
I like Pike (that should be a thing), but he was the bridge moderator, not the captain of the ship. The show's complete disinterest in chain of command stuff is among my chief complaints.
Now, you know the Great Bird himself said repeatedly that 🌟 fleet is NOT military. They are just explorers and scientists. Like when Libya attacked two Navy Jets, and the US sent Jacques Cousteau to bomb their bases......
Yep. However subsequent writing staffs have blurred the lines on this issue.
"Starfleet is not a military organization, its purpose is exploration" - Captain Picard in Peak Performance
They certainly get embroiled in a lot of war though...
So, who IS the military then? I forgot all those episodes when starfleet ships ran away while that... military I can't remember its name or existence.... came to fight the wars? Are we pretending these were civilians then who happened to have extensive combat trained leadership? I guess that training was arranged for entertainment?
So, who IS the military then? I forgot all those episodes when starfleet ships ran away while that... military I can't remember its name or existence.... came to fight the wars? Are we pretending these were civilians then who happened to have extensive combat trained leadership? I guess that training was arranged for entertainment?
The biggest problem here (and discussion has been here for several times) a some of you see military as separate entity from civilian organization. That is how that function today, not in imaginary future from Roddenberry's head. Even he said that Starfleet is not military organization but it does follow military structure and basic conduct.
Maybe this will help. Let see how scientists function in military today.
According to the U.S. Department of Defense, out of more than 1.4 million people on active duty in the U.S. Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force, at least 200,000 perform science, engineering, and technical roles. Some of those people are building robots. Others are remotely piloting underwater vehicles. According to experts interviewed by Science Careers, all share one characteristic: They are military first, scientists second.
Science-minded soldiers and sailors must be comfortable with military life: conforming to strict rules, codes, and honor systems, and being ready to participate in combat missions if necessary. Serving in the military can be dangerous even in peacetime, so it’s important to understand the nature of the commitment. - https://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2011/12/science-military
Now think of Starfleet like this
Science and diplomacy first, military second.
Mayor role Starfleet is scientific exploration which means that most of personel will be diplomats, scientists and engineers, but not all. Space is dangerous place and ALL personel in Starfleet has at least basic combat training, and some has advanced combat and tactical training (Yar, Worf, Tuvok, Laren,.. Chakotay as instructor). Actually ALL Starfleet officers must participate in Advanced Tactical Training which "was so difficult and challenging, in fact, that half of the class washed out each year".
Don't forget pilot training for Nova squadron. You do not train like that for cilivilian service but for combat.
So let us recapitulate: Starfleet is not military organization per se because such organizations no longer exist as separate entities in that specific future. It is sort of agregation of several civilian organization in the military structure.
Back to the event at hand, I totally blanked on tomorrow being Convergence Day, which would make "Trouble in Paradise" this year's Convergence Day event. Seems pretty lackluster in that context to feature Admiral Maxwell Forrest, Commander Dolim, and Captain Luceno. And it was a lackluster crew even before I realized that. There will surely be some nifty surprise or two, but for the time being, 3* Tourist Worf is presently the most exciting thing about this year's Convergence Day.
Back to the event at hand, I totally blanked on tomorrow being Convergence Day, which would make "Trouble in Paradise" this year's Convergence Day event. Seems pretty lackluster in that context to feature Admiral Maxwell Forrest, Commander Dolim, and Captain Luceno. And it was a lackluster crew even before I realized that. There will surely be some nifty surprise or two, but for the time being, 3* Tourist Worf is presently the most exciting thing about this year's Convergence Day.
The only real positive being ... it will be a Galaxy event ... so maybe DB will add a bit more flavour around collaborative work, as has been the case for past Convergence Day events (well 2017 and 2018 ... not 2019).
On a related note ... Belle Q ... will that be a Q Continuum trait bonus or "Q variants" bonus or neither of the two?
On a related note ... Belle Q ... will that be a Q Continuum trait bonus or "Q variants" bonus or neither of the two?
Unless Belle Q turns out to be John de Lancie in a dress, I think we can safely rule out "Q variants". "Q Continuum" trait would be a way to bolster bonus crew and is not without precedent, but it wouldn't necessarily be that trait - it's just as likely to be "Costumed". My money's on "neither of the two" if the other event crew are variantful, but I'm also guessing it's a Skirmish and therefore a moot point anyway.
Back to the event at hand, I totally blanked on tomorrow being Convergence Day, which would make "Trouble in Paradise" this year's Convergence Day event. Seems pretty lackluster in that context to feature Admiral Maxwell Forrest, Commander Dolim, and Captain Luceno. And it was a lackluster crew even before I realized that. There will surely be some nifty surprise or two, but for the time being, 3* Tourist Worf is presently the most exciting thing about this year's Convergence Day.
If I remember DB did a bait she switch last year before announcing Convergence Day. They could be doing something similar.
In fact, the Tourist Worf/Q screw up could be a result of Shan accidentally leaking part of the announcement and then trying to cover it up.
Back to the event at hand, I totally blanked on tomorrow being Convergence Day, which would make "Trouble in Paradise" this year's Convergence Day event. Seems pretty lackluster in that context to feature Admiral Maxwell Forrest, Commander Dolim, and Captain Luceno. And it was a lackluster crew even before I realized that. There will surely be some nifty surprise or two, but for the time being, 3* Tourist Worf is presently the most exciting thing about this year's Convergence Day.
If I remember DB did a bait she switch last year before announcing Convergence Day. They could be doing something similar.
In fact, the Tourist Worf/Q screw up could be a result of Shan accidentally leaking part of the announcement and then trying to cover it up.
If it is today and if they announce it last-minute ... and if I cared about those things ... I might not collect the event rewards at the end of the current event because last year we got Seven in Silver (as a link into a 2-part Borg event) in the mail ... so Forrest would use up your DYC ... or you'd have to wait a couple of days before collecting any 5* in mail. In-game mail, announcement tomorrow.
@PenguinJim ... As a non-trekkie I still have no idea who or what Q is I just figured he was some guy who could look like anything they wanted because they were all-powerful (I mean, I have a version who looks like Riker ... or is that Riker?) ... guess not.
Can't wait to see a ship with technology 900 years out of date fight its way through season 3. I mean, we all know a Viking long ship can take out a US Navy aircraft carrier no problem.....
Founding ADM - PoF family of fleets (POF, POF2 & POF3) - Dear TP: Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated.
Can't wait to see a ship with technology 900 years out of date fight its way through season 3. I mean, we all know a Viking long ship can take out a US Navy aircraft carrier no problem.....
Not to mention a complete lack of support structure - other than maybe being able to get food from the New Eden colony, Season 3 is going to probably at least be a little like Voyager...well, like Voyager should have been before writing expediency granted them an unlimited supply of torpedoes and shuttles.
Can't wait to see a ship with technology 900 years out of date fight its way through season 3. I mean, we all know a Viking long ship can take out a US Navy aircraft carrier no problem.....
This is exactly what concerns me about the upcoming season. The only way for Discovery to be a relevant player as a ship is if some terrible calamity has befallen the galaxy and set everything back centuries. That's a depressing premise to start the season.
Back to the event at hand, I totally blanked on tomorrow being Convergence Day, which would make "Trouble in Paradise" this year's Convergence Day event. Seems pretty lackluster in that context to feature Admiral Maxwell Forrest, Commander Dolim, and Captain Luceno. And it was a lackluster crew even before I realized that. There will surely be some nifty surprise or two, but for the time being, 3* Tourist Worf is presently the most exciting thing about this year's Convergence Day.
If I remember DB did a bait she switch last year before announcing Convergence Day. They could be doing something similar.
In fact, the Tourist Worf/Q screw up could be a result of Shan accidentally leaking part of the announcement and then trying to cover it up.
If it is today and if they announce it last-minute ... and if I cared about those things ... I might not collect the event rewards at the end of the current event because last year we got Seven in Silver (as a link into a 2-part Borg event) in the mail ... so Forrest would use up your DYC ... or you'd have to wait a couple of days before collecting any 5* in mail. In-game mail, announcement tomorrow.
@PenguinJim ... As a non-trekkie I still have no idea who or what Q is I just figured he was some guy who could look like anything they wanted because they were all-powerful (I mean, I have a version who looks like Riker ... or is that Riker?) ... guess not.
A Q can look like anything they want, but each one is an individual. (The Riker one is actually Riker with the "powers" of a Q, and Data Q... err... hmm!)
Generally, though, the Q we see is portrayed by John de Lancie (who voices Timelines!), and has multiple variants in the game, and Belle Q is likely to be a None de Lancie Q, like Q2 or Colonel Q.
But you've now got me hoping for John de Lancie in a dress!
Back to the event at hand, I totally blanked on tomorrow being Convergence Day, which would make "Trouble in Paradise" this year's Convergence Day event. Seems pretty lackluster in that context to feature Admiral Maxwell Forrest, Commander Dolim, and Captain Luceno. And it was a lackluster crew even before I realized that. There will surely be some nifty surprise or two, but for the time being, 3* Tourist Worf is presently the most exciting thing about this year's Convergence Day.
If I remember DB did a bait she switch last year before announcing Convergence Day. They could be doing something similar.
In fact, the Tourist Worf/Q screw up could be a result of Shan accidentally leaking part of the announcement and then trying to cover it up.
In-game màil says the extra week of crew slot and Dabo discounts were part of the celebration. More info coming tomorrow.
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
Can't wait to see a ship with technology 900 years out of date fight its way through season 3. I mean, we all know a Viking long ship can take out a US Navy aircraft carrier no problem.....
Not to mention a complete lack of support structure - other than maybe being able to get food from the New Eden colony, Season 3 is going to probably at least be a little like Voyager...well, like Voyager should have been before writing expediency granted them an unlimited supply of torpedoes and shuttles.
They sure did make them 37 torpedoes last, right? Or 38.
Couldn't post this from home, since I am at the edge of my Data for the month......
This is my first comment. Because this is exactly my overall felling about "Discovery".
Disrespect and insult to Gene Roddenberry legacy! The real Star Trek was always about to be a beter human!
Back to the event at hand, I totally blanked on tomorrow being Convergence Day, which would make "Trouble in Paradise" this year's Convergence Day event. Seems pretty lackluster in that context to feature Admiral Maxwell Forrest, Commander Dolim, and Captain Luceno. And it was a lackluster crew even before I realized that. There will surely be some nifty surprise or two, but for the time being, 3* Tourist Worf is presently the most exciting thing about this year's Convergence Day.
If I remember DB did a bait she switch last year before announcing Convergence Day. They could be doing something similar.
In fact, the Tourist Worf/Q screw up could be a result of Shan accidentally leaking part of the announcement and then trying to cover it up.
In-game màil says the extra week of crew slot and Dabo discounts were part of the celebration. More info coming tomorrow.
In game mail says nothing like that. In game mail says crew slot/dabo say is ending. In the next sentence it says Convergence day news will be announced tomorrow. The extended sale has nothing to do with Convergence day. If I had to guess, I would say DB forgot to end the sale and only noticed when it went to plan for Convergence day. But even if I'm wrong with that guess, the message makes no connection between the extended sale and Convergence day.
Back to the event at hand, I totally blanked on tomorrow being Convergence Day, which would make "Trouble in Paradise" this year's Convergence Day event. Seems pretty lackluster in that context to feature Admiral Maxwell Forrest, Commander Dolim, and Captain Luceno. And it was a lackluster crew even before I realized that. There will surely be some nifty surprise or two, but for the time being, 3* Tourist Worf is presently the most exciting thing about this year's Convergence Day.
If I remember DB did a bait she switch last year before announcing Convergence Day. They could be doing something similar.
In fact, the Tourist Worf/Q screw up could be a result of Shan accidentally leaking part of the announcement and then trying to cover it up.
In-game màil says the extra week of crew slot and Dabo discounts were part of the celebration. More info coming tomorrow.
In game mail says nothing like that. In game mail says crew slot/dabo say is ending. In the next sentence it says Convergence day news will be announced tomorrow. The extended sale has nothing to do with Convergence day. If I had to guess, I would say DB forgot to end the sale and only noticed when it went to plan for Convergence day. But even if I'm wrong with that guess, the message makes no connection between the extended sale and Convergence day.
I didn't memorize the mail. They said there was the "extra week" of the Sale, then went on to talk the announcement tomorrow. I guess I connected them, since it was in the same mail........
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
Also, I haven't watched the Short Trek yet, but from what I've seen and read it feels like they tried to do some Orville kind of thing, probably because of all the fans who kept saying that the Orville is better Trek than DSC. Clearly that approach didn't work for everyone either
but Orville is better than Discovery because Orville is actually trying to be star trek
seriously, who here would rather have Ed and Kelly and Bortas and Isaac and Dr. Kasidy Yates than captain "this conversation is over"?
Since this „nxt event info“ thread went off topic as usual:
Orville Season 1 was nice, season 2 was a huge let down, they took themselfs way too serious, imho. And they are not even close as being as good as Discovery. But whatever.🤗
Regarding nxt weeks event:
Another ranked 5* i have no interest in. So another relaxed event. Totally fine with. 👍🏻
Also, I haven't watched the Short Trek yet, but from what I've seen and read it feels like they tried to do some Orville kind of thing, probably because of all the fans who kept saying that the Orville is better Trek than DSC. Clearly that approach didn't work for everyone either
but Orville is better than Discovery because Orville is actually trying to be star trek
seriously, who here would rather have Ed and Kelly and Bortas and Isaac and Dr. Kasidy Yates than captain "this conversation is over"?
Since this „nxt event info“ thread went off topic as usual:
Orville Season 1 was nice, season 2 was a huge let down, they took themselfs way too serious, imho. And they are not even close as being as good as Discovery. But whatever.🤗
Regarding nxt weeks event:
Another ranked 5* i have no interest in. So another relaxed event. Totally fine with. 👍🏻
She'll turn out to be the next Arena Sledgehammer. 🔨
Plus:
Med 1500
Dip 1250
Sec 1000
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
This is my first comment. Because this is exactly my overall felling about "Discovery".
Disrespect and insult to Gene Roddenberry legacy! The real Star Trek was always about to be a beter human!
Part of his philosophy was that humanity will advance not when we tolerate difference, but when we learn to delight in it. Give it a shot, its fun
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Pike knew that the crew had been through some dark stuff with Lorca and the war events and he knew that he wasn't familiar with them and that his command would only be temporary, so he decided to tread lightly. I think there's a scene in the beginning of the season where he says something of that sort.
I mean, I didn't like season 2 very much, but I don't think that Pike's command style was one of the issues and its explanation made sense to me.
Also, I haven't watched the Short Trek yet, but from what I've seen and read it feels like they tried to do some Orville kind of thing, probably because of all the fans who kept saying that the Orville is better Trek than DSC. Clearly that approach didn't work for everyone either
but Orville is better than Discovery because Orville is actually trying to be star trek
seriously, who here would rather have Ed and Kelly and Bortas and Isaac and Dr. Kasidy Yates than captain "this conversation is over"?
I enjoy Orville, but I'll take Discovery, thank you. It's trying to move storytelling into the 21st century, rather than being stuck in the past.
I like Pike (that should be a thing), but he was the bridge moderator, not the captain of the ship. The show's complete disinterest in chain of command stuff is among my chief complaints.
So, who IS the military then? I forgot all those episodes when starfleet ships ran away while that... military I can't remember its name or existence.... came to fight the wars? Are we pretending these were civilians then who happened to have extensive combat trained leadership? I guess that training was arranged for entertainment?
The biggest problem here (and discussion has been here for several times) a some of you see military as separate entity from civilian organization. That is how that function today, not in imaginary future from Roddenberry's head. Even he said that Starfleet is not military organization but it does follow military structure and basic conduct.
Maybe this will help. Let see how scientists function in military today.
Now think of Starfleet like this
Science and diplomacy first, military second.
Mayor role Starfleet is scientific exploration which means that most of personel will be diplomats, scientists and engineers, but not all. Space is dangerous place and ALL personel in Starfleet has at least basic combat training, and some has advanced combat and tactical training (Yar, Worf, Tuvok, Laren,.. Chakotay as instructor). Actually ALL Starfleet officers must participate in Advanced Tactical Training which "was so difficult and challenging, in fact, that half of the class washed out each year".
Don't forget pilot training for Nova squadron. You do not train like that for cilivilian service but for combat.
So let us recapitulate: Starfleet is not military organization per se because such organizations no longer exist as separate entities in that specific future. It is sort of agregation of several civilian organization in the military structure.
The only real positive being ... it will be a Galaxy event ... so maybe DB will add a bit more flavour around collaborative work, as has been the case for past Convergence Day events (well 2017 and 2018 ... not 2019).
On a related note ... Belle Q ... will that be a Q Continuum trait bonus or "Q variants" bonus or neither of the two?
Unless Belle Q turns out to be John de Lancie in a dress, I think we can safely rule out "Q variants". "Q Continuum" trait would be a way to bolster bonus crew and is not without precedent, but it wouldn't necessarily be that trait - it's just as likely to be "Costumed". My money's on "neither of the two" if the other event crew are variantful, but I'm also guessing it's a Skirmish and therefore a moot point anyway.
If I remember DB did a bait she switch last year before announcing Convergence Day. They could be doing something similar.
In fact, the Tourist Worf/Q screw up could be a result of Shan accidentally leaking part of the announcement and then trying to cover it up.
If it is today and if they announce it last-minute ... and if I cared about those things ... I might not collect the event rewards at the end of the current event because last year we got Seven in Silver (as a link into a 2-part Borg event) in the mail ... so Forrest would use up your DYC ... or you'd have to wait a couple of days before collecting any 5* in mail. In-game mail, announcement tomorrow.
@PenguinJim ... As a non-trekkie I still have no idea who or what Q is I just figured he was some guy who could look like anything they wanted because they were all-powerful (I mean, I have a version who looks like Riker ... or is that Riker?) ... guess not.
Not to mention a complete lack of support structure - other than maybe being able to get food from the New Eden colony, Season 3 is going to probably at least be a little like Voyager...well, like Voyager should have been before writing expediency granted them an unlimited supply of torpedoes and shuttles.
This is exactly what concerns me about the upcoming season. The only way for Discovery to be a relevant player as a ship is if some terrible calamity has befallen the galaxy and set everything back centuries. That's a depressing premise to start the season.
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A Q can look like anything they want, but each one is an individual. (The Riker one is actually Riker with the "powers" of a Q, and Data Q... err... hmm!)
Generally, though, the Q we see is portrayed by John de Lancie (who voices Timelines!), and has multiple variants in the game, and Belle Q is likely to be a None de Lancie Q, like Q2 or Colonel Q.
But you've now got me hoping for John de Lancie in a dress!
In-game màil says the extra week of crew slot and Dabo discounts were part of the celebration. More info coming tomorrow.
They sure did make them 37 torpedoes last, right? Or 38.
Couldn't post this from home, since I am at the edge of my Data for the month......
Disrespect and insult to Gene Roddenberry legacy! The real Star Trek was always about to be a beter human!
In game mail says nothing like that. In game mail says crew slot/dabo say is ending. In the next sentence it says Convergence day news will be announced tomorrow. The extended sale has nothing to do with Convergence day. If I had to guess, I would say DB forgot to end the sale and only noticed when it went to plan for Convergence day. But even if I'm wrong with that guess, the message makes no connection between the extended sale and Convergence day.
I didn't memorize the mail. They said there was the "extra week" of the Sale, then went on to talk the announcement tomorrow. I guess I connected them, since it was in the same mail........
Since this „nxt event info“ thread went off topic as usual:
Orville Season 1 was nice, season 2 was a huge let down, they took themselfs way too serious, imho. And they are not even close as being as good as Discovery. But whatever.🤗
Regarding nxt weeks event:
Another ranked 5* i have no interest in. So another relaxed event. Totally fine with. 👍🏻
She'll turn out to be the next Arena Sledgehammer. 🔨
Plus:
Med 1500
Dip 1250
Sec 1000
Part of his philosophy was that humanity will advance not when we tolerate difference, but when we learn to delight in it. Give it a shot, its fun
She's holding a Tribble!!!!!!
Tribble Herder Scotty should have been the 5* as well. That would be the best picture ever.
That needs to Photoshopped immediately!!!!!!
More Tribbles, more funs.........