One of a few characters that I wish had been a continuing member of TNG and one I was sad that didn't was Ensign Sito Jaxa.
We have Cadet Sito but not Ensign Sito.
I would love to see all of the characters from "Lower Decks" incorporated into a Lower Decks mega (also the characters from Voyager's "Learning Curve"/"Good Shepherd"). But if only one can be selected, it's got to be Ensign Sito. She deserves more than a 2*.
Picard was such a jerk that Ensign Sito Jaxa episode.
who else would go super hard to get ALL of these guys?
I won't measure my enthusiasm in terms of hardness, but I'd happily compete for pretty much anyone from V or VI unless they were 5*'s in a Galaxy event. There are some exceptions, but I know better than to say who they are.
For me Lower Decks is a bit of fun. It is how Star Trek would be in real life, rather than the ultra-moral people of the TNG era. They also really mock the rest of Star Trek, which is half the fun. If you don't watch Star Trek, then you miss half the jokes.
For starters I want Quint, the Ferengi from Envoys.
(Even though I hate the Ferengi)
One of a few characters that I wish had been a continuing member of TNG and one I was sad that didn't was Ensign Sito Jaxa.
We have Cadet Sito but not Ensign Sito.
I would love to see all of the characters from "Lower Decks" incorporated into a Lower Decks mega (also the characters from Voyager's "Learning Curve"/"Good Shepherd"). But if only one can be selected, it's got to be Ensign Sito. She deserves more than a 2*.
Picard was such a jerk that Ensign Sito Jaxa episode.
He wasn't being a "jerk", he was testing her to see how she would react. He wanted to know if she could handle the undercover mission she went on.
One of a few characters that I wish had been a continuing member of TNG and one I was sad that didn't was Ensign Sito Jaxa.
We have Cadet Sito but not Ensign Sito.
I would love to see all of the characters from "Lower Decks" incorporated into a Lower Decks mega (also the characters from Voyager's "Learning Curve"/"Good Shepherd"). But if only one can be selected, it's got to be Ensign Sito. She deserves more than a 2*.
Picard was such a jerk that Ensign Sito Jaxa episode.
He wasn't being a "jerk", he was testing her to see how she would react. He wanted to know if she could handle the undercover mission she went on.
Just because he had a motive doesn't mean he wasn't being a jerk. I know that if my boss was treating me the way that Picard treated Sito, I would be calling him all sorts of names, and jerk would probably be the least offensive of them.
One of a few characters that I wish had been a continuing member of TNG and one I was sad that didn't was Ensign Sito Jaxa.
We have Cadet Sito but not Ensign Sito.
I would love to see all of the characters from "Lower Decks" incorporated into a Lower Decks mega (also the characters from Voyager's "Learning Curve"/"Good Shepherd"). But if only one can be selected, it's got to be Ensign Sito. She deserves more than a 2*.
Picard was such a jerk that Ensign Sito Jaxa episode.
He wasn't being a "jerk", he was testing her to see how she would react. He wanted to know if she could handle the undercover mission she went on.
Just because he had a motive doesn't mean he wasn't being a jerk. I know that if my boss was treating me the way that Picard treated Sito, I would be calling him all sorts of names, and jerk would probably be the least offensive of them.
Going off may be gratifying in the moment, but as soon as Sito reacted as you suggest, he'd have known she was wholly unqualified for that mission. Here's what Sito did say:
If you didn't want me on your ship, you should have said so when I was assigned to it. It's not your place to punish me for what I did at the Academy. I've worked hard here. My record is exemplary. If you're going to judge me, judge me for what I am now.
Direct, assertive, bold... and not an offensive name to be found. It might not be as gratifying as pitching a fit, but I would argue Sito handled the matter considerably more constructively by doing it the way she did. I think we would all do well to reflect on the value of that model over the excitement of blowing up.
Of course, she got the mission and then got blown up so maybe she'd have been better off cussin' him out.
One of a few characters that I wish had been a continuing member of TNG and one I was sad that didn't was Ensign Sito Jaxa.
We have Cadet Sito but not Ensign Sito.
I would love to see all of the characters from "Lower Decks" incorporated into a Lower Decks mega (also the characters from Voyager's "Learning Curve"/"Good Shepherd"). But if only one can be selected, it's got to be Ensign Sito. She deserves more than a 2*.
Picard was such a jerk that Ensign Sito Jaxa episode.
He wasn't being a "jerk", he was testing her to see how she would react. He wanted to know if she could handle the undercover mission she went on.
Just because he had a motive doesn't mean he wasn't being a jerk. I know that if my boss was treating me the way that Picard treated Sito, I would be calling him all sorts of names, and jerk would probably be the least offensive of them.
Going off may be gratifying in the moment, but as soon as Sito reacted as you suggest, he'd have known she was wholly unqualified for that mission. Here's what Sito did say:
If you didn't want me on your ship, you should have said so when I was assigned to it. It's not your place to punish me for what I did at the Academy. I've worked hard here. My record is exemplary. If you're going to judge me, judge me for what I am now.
Direct, assertive, bold... and not an offensive name to be found. It might not be as gratifying as pitching a fit, but I would argue Sito handled the matter considerably more constructively by doing it the way she did. I think we would all do well to reflect on the value of that model over the excitement of blowing up.
Of course, she got the mission and then got blown up so maybe she'd have been better off cussin' him out.
Oh, to his face I would be polite. Probably not as calm, cool and collected as Sito. The names would come behind his back lol
Pretty sure @Legate Damar meant Picard crawling through the conduits with a phaser in "Starship Mine":
Although a better image would probably be "I Have A Crossbow" Picard:
I always thought that episode was pretty dope. I don't think it really works if it's anyone else, though. Riker and Worf, it'd be a routine action episode. Data or Geordi we'd expect to outsmart the baddies with tech. Crusher or Troi would have been fantastic... if they'd been established as remotely competent at such things. I think it would have just felt too out of character for them (which I mean as a criticism of how they were minimized in general). But Picard? Not an obvious choice, but a plausible one.
I wiil just add, I think this happens when you have too many people to develope.
You still can succeed with too many but it is not easy.
I wonder if Tasha Yar was still in the crew, maybe she could have been used.
At the beginning Tasha was on my list (Riker and Troi being the others) to eliminate. Before they killed Tasha Yar, she made it to my keep list. Probably because of the character development for her.
Keep in mind keeping Tasha would effect Worfs development.
One of a few characters that I wish had been a continuing member of TNG and one I was sad that didn't was Ensign Sito Jaxa.
We have Cadet Sito but not Ensign Sito.
I would love to see all of the characters from "Lower Decks" incorporated into a Lower Decks mega (also the characters from Voyager's "Learning Curve"/"Good Shepherd"). But if only one can be selected, it's got to be Ensign Sito. She deserves more than a 2*.
Picard was such a jerk that Ensign Sito Jaxa episode.
He wasn't being a "jerk", he was testing her to see how she would react. He wanted to know if she could handle the undercover mission she went on.
I didn’t say he was a jerk simply because he said unkind things to Sito. I said he was a jerk because the whole episode he was manipulating her into volunteering for a dangerous mission that he needed her for. A dangerous mission she was killed while doing.
Picard needed to get a Cardassian Federation agent back into Cardassia and he could not do that without a Bajoran on the mission. Ro Laren was not on the Enterprise at that time so there was only one Bajoran on the ship. Only one person who could go on the mission. And yet Picard claims he is testing her. Like he doesn’t need her for the mission and there were other candidates. And what was he testing her for? Testing her to be assertive for a mission where she has to play a meek prisoner? And how does Sito pass Picard’s supposed test? Worf, likely from direction from Picard, gives her a test himself that forces her to be assertive. Worf tells her that it is good to stand up against an unfair test and be assertive. Sito then goes in to see Picard and is assertive with Picard. And what did Picard need from her? For her to be assertive and volunteer for the dangerous mission he could not order her to do.
Picard and Worf also dangled a possible promotion for her in the future and then said how they needed her for a dangerous mission. Another manipulation to make her believe that there is no promotion unless she volunteers for the dangerous mission. Picard also manipulates her by saying she passed the test and is now ready for the dangerous mission. This is a common manipulative trick where someone is told they won something or succeeded in the first part of something to get them to commit to the second. The person is much less likely to quit now that they have won and could win more. Scammers and casinos use that trick a lot. And Sito could win more, she could win a promotion.
Picard manipulates her further by telling her how important this mission is for the security of Bajor. The security of her planet and people are at stake. And in his final manipulative act, Picard then tells Sito he cannot order her to do the mission to get her to volunteer. Saying to someone you are not telling them to do something is a way to trick them into doing it. What choice did Sito have but to volunteer? Picard had manipulated her masterfully into believing that her career, a possible promotion, and her people were at stake.
One of a few characters that I wish had been a continuing member of TNG and one I was sad that didn't was Ensign Sito Jaxa.
We have Cadet Sito but not Ensign Sito.
I would love to see all of the characters from "Lower Decks" incorporated into a Lower Decks mega (also the characters from Voyager's "Learning Curve"/"Good Shepherd"). But if only one can be selected, it's got to be Ensign Sito. She deserves more than a 2*.
Picard was such a jerk that Ensign Sito Jaxa episode.
He wasn't being a "jerk", he was testing her to see how she would react. He wanted to know if she could handle the undercover mission she went on.
I didn’t say he was a jerk simply because he said unkind things to Sito. I said he was a jerk because the whole episode he was manipulating her into volunteering for a dangerous mission that he needed her for. A dangerous mission she was killed while doing.
Picard needed to get a Cardassian Federation agent back into Cardassia and he could not do that without a Bajoran on the mission. Ro Laren was not on the Enterprise at that time so there was only one Bajoran on the ship. Only one person who could go on the mission. And yet Picard claims he is testing her. Like he doesn’t need her for the mission and there were other candidates. And what was he testing her for? Testing her to be assertive for a mission where she has to play a meek prisoner? And how does Sito pass Picard’s supposed test? Worf, likely from direction from Picard, gives her a test himself that forces her to be assertive. Worf tells her that it is good to stand up against an unfair test and be assertive. Sito then goes in to see Picard and is assertive with Picard. And what did Picard need from her? For her to be assertive and volunteer for the dangerous mission he could not order her to do.
Picard and Worf also dangled a possible promotion for her in the future and then said how they needed her for a dangerous mission. Another manipulation to make her believe that there is no promotion unless she volunteers for the dangerous mission. Picard also manipulates her by saying she passed the test and is now ready for the dangerous mission. This is a common manipulative trick where someone is told they won something or succeeded in the first part of something to get them to commit to the second. The person is much less likely to quit now that they have won and could win more. Scammers and casinos use that trick a lot. And Sito could win more, she could win a promotion.
Picard manipulates her further by telling her how important this mission is for the security of Bajor. The security of her planet and people are at stake. And in his final manipulative act, Picard then tells Sito he cannot order her to do the mission to get her to volunteer. Saying to someone you are not telling them to do something is a way to trick them into doing it. What choice did Sito have but to volunteer? Picard had manipulated her masterfully into believing that her career, a possible promotion, and her people were at stake.
I can understand that take on the episode. I think it would help if we were ever really privy to what the mission actually was. As I recall, we only see Sito and the Cardassian she's helping escape in the shuttlecraft with some brief, generic allusions to him being some kind of defector. It's hard to appraise what was needed of her for the mission, or how significant it could have been, being denied virtually all of it. I get it; it's just the McGuffin, but it does leave these questions unanswerable.
What I will say, though, is that it's worth remembering Starfleet is--regardless of what anyone may periodically claim--a military organization with a chain of command that can at times be, frankly, ruthless. Sito believed in Starfleet enough that she not only enlisted, but did everything she could to be allowed to remain after committing an expulsion-level offense. She wanted to do Bajor proud. Pulling off a mission with implications for Bajor would give her an opportunity to do that.
On the other side of the desk, it's Picard's job to recruit his officers for missions including dangerous ones. Someone had to go on that mission. There's no compelling reason Sito should have been exempt from it--except that it may have been overwhelming for her personally, which is why Picard gave her the option to decline. He rarely extended that option to anyone when assigning missions. Sito may not have known that, but as a viewer, we know it. It's expected that he decides who goes, and they go. He's the Captain. That's the job. I feel as though you're implying that Picard groomed Sito in an abusive relationship, and I find that misplaced.
[As an aside, I do appreciate this side discussion about that episode. I've always lamented that they killed her because she could have had a lot of potential. I'm definitely Team Sito.]
Rhys I believe is the DIscovery Tactical Officer, I had to look to up Reese, he was the officer Eddington put in charge of DS9 before defecting to the Maquis.
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II - Lt. Kyle:
III: Maltz since we all know what his ship ability would be:
IV: Nichols aka transparent aluminum guy, maybe we could even build his computer:
V: as much as i want Captain Chekov, how do we not have Vixis yet?
VI: Kerla is the obvious one, but how about Lt. Slater?
who else would go super hard to get ALL of these guys?
Picard was such a jerk that Ensign Sito Jaxa episode.
I won't measure my enthusiasm in terms of hardness, but I'd happily compete for pretty much anyone from V or VI unless they were 5*'s in a Galaxy event. There are some exceptions, but I know better than to say who they are.
Producer Harve Bennett as Admiral Bob from ST V
Nichols as a 4*.
Oh yes, I would love him just for his ship ability.
"You can't have a yellow alert in spacedock."
"Incredible Machine"
"Prepare for Warp Speed! Standby Transwarp Drive!"
Ability: Evasion.
Torpedo Surgeon Spock, to go with Bones.
Dying/Sacrifice Spock, from the end of Star Trek:TWoK.
Probably one of Spock's most iconic moments.
"It is logical, the needs of the many outweigh"
"The needs of the few"
"Or the one."
"I never took the Kobayashi Maru test, till now."
"I have been, and always shall be, your friend."
For starters I want Quint, the Ferengi from Envoys.
(Even though I hate the Ferengi)
He wasn't being a "jerk", he was testing her to see how she would react. He wanted to know if she could handle the undercover mission she went on.
Just because he had a motive doesn't mean he wasn't being a jerk. I know that if my boss was treating me the way that Picard treated Sito, I would be calling him all sorts of names, and jerk would probably be the least offensive of them.
Going off may be gratifying in the moment, but as soon as Sito reacted as you suggest, he'd have known she was wholly unqualified for that mission. Here's what Sito did say:
If you didn't want me on your ship, you should have said so when I was assigned to it. It's not your place to punish me for what I did at the Academy. I've worked hard here. My record is exemplary. If you're going to judge me, judge me for what I am now.
Direct, assertive, bold... and not an offensive name to be found. It might not be as gratifying as pitching a fit, but I would argue Sito handled the matter considerably more constructively by doing it the way she did. I think we would all do well to reflect on the value of that model over the excitement of blowing up.
Oh, to his face I would be polite. Probably not as calm, cool and collected as Sito. The names would come behind his back lol
We have Tommy Gun Picard
Pretty sure @Legate Damar meant Picard crawling through the conduits with a phaser in "Starship Mine":
Although a better image would probably be "I Have A Crossbow" Picard:
I always thought that episode was pretty dope. I don't think it really works if it's anyone else, though. Riker and Worf, it'd be a routine action episode. Data or Geordi we'd expect to outsmart the baddies with tech. Crusher or Troi would have been fantastic... if they'd been established as remotely competent at such things. I think it would have just felt too out of character for them (which I mean as a criticism of how they were minimized in general). But Picard? Not an obvious choice, but a plausible one.
I wiil just add, I think this happens when you have too many people to develope.
You still can succeed with too many but it is not easy.
I wonder if Tasha Yar was still in the crew, maybe she could have been used.
At the beginning Tasha was on my list (Riker and Troi being the others) to eliminate. Before they killed Tasha Yar, she made it to my keep list. Probably because of the character development for her.
Keep in mind keeping Tasha would effect Worfs development.
I didn’t say he was a jerk simply because he said unkind things to Sito. I said he was a jerk because the whole episode he was manipulating her into volunteering for a dangerous mission that he needed her for. A dangerous mission she was killed while doing.
Picard needed to get a Cardassian Federation agent back into Cardassia and he could not do that without a Bajoran on the mission. Ro Laren was not on the Enterprise at that time so there was only one Bajoran on the ship. Only one person who could go on the mission. And yet Picard claims he is testing her. Like he doesn’t need her for the mission and there were other candidates. And what was he testing her for? Testing her to be assertive for a mission where she has to play a meek prisoner? And how does Sito pass Picard’s supposed test? Worf, likely from direction from Picard, gives her a test himself that forces her to be assertive. Worf tells her that it is good to stand up against an unfair test and be assertive. Sito then goes in to see Picard and is assertive with Picard. And what did Picard need from her? For her to be assertive and volunteer for the dangerous mission he could not order her to do.
Picard and Worf also dangled a possible promotion for her in the future and then said how they needed her for a dangerous mission. Another manipulation to make her believe that there is no promotion unless she volunteers for the dangerous mission. Picard also manipulates her by saying she passed the test and is now ready for the dangerous mission. This is a common manipulative trick where someone is told they won something or succeeded in the first part of something to get them to commit to the second. The person is much less likely to quit now that they have won and could win more. Scammers and casinos use that trick a lot. And Sito could win more, she could win a promotion.
Picard manipulates her further by telling her how important this mission is for the security of Bajor. The security of her planet and people are at stake. And in his final manipulative act, Picard then tells Sito he cannot order her to do the mission to get her to volunteer. Saying to someone you are not telling them to do something is a way to trick them into doing it. What choice did Sito have but to volunteer? Picard had manipulated her masterfully into believing that her career, a possible promotion, and her people were at stake.
I can understand that take on the episode. I think it would help if we were ever really privy to what the mission actually was. As I recall, we only see Sito and the Cardassian she's helping escape in the shuttlecraft with some brief, generic allusions to him being some kind of defector. It's hard to appraise what was needed of her for the mission, or how significant it could have been, being denied virtually all of it. I get it; it's just the McGuffin, but it does leave these questions unanswerable.
What I will say, though, is that it's worth remembering Starfleet is--regardless of what anyone may periodically claim--a military organization with a chain of command that can at times be, frankly, ruthless. Sito believed in Starfleet enough that she not only enlisted, but did everything she could to be allowed to remain after committing an expulsion-level offense. She wanted to do Bajor proud. Pulling off a mission with implications for Bajor would give her an opportunity to do that.
On the other side of the desk, it's Picard's job to recruit his officers for missions including dangerous ones. Someone had to go on that mission. There's no compelling reason Sito should have been exempt from it--except that it may have been overwhelming for her personally, which is why Picard gave her the option to decline. He rarely extended that option to anyone when assigning missions. Sito may not have known that, but as a viewer, we know it. It's expected that he decides who goes, and they go. He's the Captain. That's the job. I feel as though you're implying that Picard groomed Sito in an abusive relationship, and I find that misplaced.
[As an aside, I do appreciate this side discussion about that episode. I've always lamented that they killed her because she could have had a lot of potential. I'm definitely Team Sito.]
And Ensign Gates (TNG conn officer).
Drunken Scotty
Equestrian Kirk and/or Picard
Mirror Soval
Commodore Bob Wesley
Lt Reese
Robert & Marie Picard
Would that Scotty be from "By Any Other Name" ("Well, it's, uh... it's green.") 'Cause if so, I'd sign your petition.
I'd totally be down for Equestrian Kirk and/or Picard. I love that scene. I'd vote for the following ship ability titles:
Kirk: Who Am I to Argue With the Captain of the Enterprise?
Picard: Make a Difference Again
Which one is Lt. Reese?
My bad - Lt Rhys from Discovery not Lt Reese who made a couple of appearances in DS9.
What the hey; let's get 'em both!
I remember neither of them, so they are guaranteed 5*. Maybe 6*.