Checking the recent additions to this thread was amusing and educational because until I saw the most recent screenshot posted in here I had completely forgotten about Simon van Gelder, which should tell you how successful I have been thus far in securing a copy
Having spent some time reflecting on the meta subject of making really good cards and then hiding them behind an RNG wall with extremely poor odds, and then on the fact that we have had ample time and a wave of negative feedback and there has been no change, I am forced to conclude that we as a group underestimated the vision the developers had for this entire concept and when I zoom out a bit more it seems to me that the plan is actually working.
They have set this up to where even the most seasoned players cannot get these cards reliably, and also created (most - Admiral Black excluded) the cards to only be good at 5/5 fusion, and then set the RNG to a point where they technically can drop to keep people trying but not high enough to count on them. This was clearly done intentionally to drive sales not in dilithium for extending voyages, but in 5* citations and DYC offers, the premise being to capitalize on that moment of maximum leverage by dangling the really good card in front of the player after they have tried for months and encouraging them to cite the card up because the player knows the second copy is not coming for months.
So you're saying a freemium game designed a feature to entice players to spend money?
Checking the recent additions to this thread was amusing and educational because until I saw the most recent screenshot posted in here I had completely forgotten about Simon van Gelder, which should tell you how successful I have been thus far in securing a copy
Having spent some time reflecting on the meta subject of making really good cards and then hiding them behind an RNG wall with extremely poor odds, and then on the fact that we have had ample time and a wave of negative feedback and there has been no change, I am forced to conclude that we as a group underestimated the vision the developers had for this entire concept and when I zoom out a bit more it seems to me that the plan is actually working.
They have set this up to where even the most seasoned players cannot get these cards reliably, and also created (most - Admiral Black excluded) the cards to only be good at 5/5 fusion, and then set the RNG to a point where they technically can drop to keep people trying but not high enough to count on them. This was clearly done intentionally to drive sales not in dilithium for extending voyages, but in 5* citations and DYC offers, the premise being to capitalize on that moment of maximum leverage by dangling the really good card in front of the player after they have tried for months and encouraging them to cite the card up because the player knows the second copy is not coming for months.
I think you nailed it. This is to drive DYC. If a player who did a ten or twelve hour voyage each day had odds to get one of the 5* every other month, then people would extend all over the place. But with the odds being one a year, there is no value to extending. But knowing the odds are so low, it is necessary to DYC or cite to have any chance.
At least these voyage-exclusive 1/5 crew will eventually be immortalized without using cash, dilithium, retrievals, or pack luck. I have many other 1/5 crew that will only ever be fused if they happen to appear in four more beGolds where they are the only viable option. It may take years, but they have more hope than most useless crew clogging up the lower decks of my crew quarters… that’s how I’m approaching them now, and it makes them an unexpected bonus instead of a growing frustration.
No, they will keep drip feeding new 5* crew in at a rate so that most players only get them to 1/5, 2/5 or 3/5 before the next drop in, and we have a choice on whether to add a star, or get the newer one at 1/5.
I never have and never will cite a card that drops somewhere {gauntlet/voyages). I made that decision a long time ago. I do not deviate from that. That isn't to say I don't spend elsewhere. I buy packs and dil and give them my cash in other ways, but I can wait forever to complete those crew.
That all makes sense as far as trying to get us to spend to finish a rare crew. The irony is that I would probably drop the $25 to double the crew if I got it, but because the probability is so low they aren’t getting that money from me. I don’t see a huge benefit to spending dil to retrieve a voyage early. Maybe a way to get us to spend more would be the option to speed up a leg of the voyage with dil, to get to the dilemmas faster. At least it would feel like there was something more we could do to get these characters.
With gauntlet you can use dil to really grind through and increase the odds of getting those exclusives. All you can really do on voyages is have good luck. From a business sense I’m not sure how that helps profits.
I believe that any choice can yield the chance for voyage exclusive 5*, but only choice A gives double the chance.
Edit: I should have mentioned for those new dilemmas.(not so new now)
From what others have reported, and from my own personal results, it looks like the "old" Dilemmas ONLY have a chance for the BeGold on the far right choice, and the "new" 12+ hour Dilemmas have a chance for the BeGold on the far left choice.
This, of course, could be confirmation bias. But, it has so far, as far as I have personally experienced and as far as I have seen others post, been that way.
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
I believe that any choice can yield the chance for voyage exclusive 5*, but only choice A gives double the chance.
Edit: I should have mentioned for those new dilemmas.(not so new now)
From what others have reported, and from my own personal results, it looks like the "old" Dilemmas ONLY have a chance for the BeGold on the far right choice, and the "new" 12+ hour Dilemmas have a chance for the BeGold on the far left choice.
This, of course, could be confirmation bias. But, it has so far, as far as I have personally experienced and as far as I have seen others post, been that way.
That’s the way I understand. Still waiting for a chance for Simon van Gelder. I hit two Begolds in Gauntlet a couple of weeks and picked up two Ometi’klans
I believe that any choice can yield the chance for voyage exclusive 5*, but only choice A gives double the chance.
Edit: I should have mentioned for those new dilemmas.(not so new now)
From what others have reported, and from my own personal results, it looks like the "old" Dilemmas ONLY have a chance for the BeGold on the far right choice, and the "new" 12+ hour Dilemmas have a chance for the BeGold on the far left choice.
This, of course, could be confirmation bias. But, it has so far, as far as I have personally experienced and as far as I have seen others post, been that way.
Good to know. Thank you. I've not hear this. I'll try it. My thanks.
After churning dilemma’s and voyages regularly minimum of 10 hours and often 12 hours without any revives, and 3 very very long voyages traversing the entire STT universe with all max dilemmas i still have no vori defender Chakotay.
I got Chapel, Black and Grady options,Twice. So I have 1 Chapel and 1 Admiral Black. After all of this time only 2 gold dilemma’s have I ever seen. I dont get 4* dilemma’s either. I get straight 3*& 4* drops where the wiki has designated a 4* or better dilemma.
Someone may have mentioned this elsewhere,
According to the wiki, Up to “x” times for a behold on most dilemma options. Ive used up my “x,y,z” amount of times before golds were ever released into voyages.
If the wiki is correct, this is likely the reason that very active players dont see them. There is a limit on how many times you get the designated behold. Therefore we are dis-advantaged with the behold RNG and possibility ratio being significantly lowered.
No.
I've never gotten any of the 5*s from the voyages and now I haven't gotten any beholds from gauntlet since last year. Play daily have voyages out for days.. nada.
I've also noticed that the odds have ratcheted down for the $14.99 for 5 theme packs (like the current captain on the bridge one). I will no longer be purchasing those - as the last 4 times buying 3 of them I've gotten nothing from them and chased them with an additional 15 - 650 dil packs and gotten nothing.
Been really thinking hard about quitting the game. Bad on me for being a sucker and getting these. Bad on TP for jacking the odds. It is starting to not be fun.
Nope. Still no VD Chacotay - run voyages daily, anywhere from 10 - 24 hours, and not a peep. Eventually he'll show up in crew retrieval and I'll pick him up then.
Finally got Black! Now, I have all unique voyage characters.
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I do not want to start a whole new thread for this and since it has an approximate 98% overlap this seems like as good a place as any but @STT Community, I think I have the solution which I will share at the conclusion of a short narrative piece with my usual flair.
The introduction of these cards was fun and I think most people applauded the initial idea and willingness to innovate, and somewhere between when the second and third voyage exclusive legendary cards were added "the team" listened to player feedback and allowed for a behold rather than a straight drop, so players could select the card they desired most. This was a good solution to an imperfect situation, but I believe most players appreciated this.
However, now that we have a 4th and soon to be a 5th (for all I know there already is a 5th, my last voyage exclusive legendary card was landed back in early January despite DAILY 12-16 hour voyages, but I digress) and there are people who still have not gotten Vori Defender Chakotay or Admiral Black, we have reached the tilting tipping point where fun has become pain. But as I said, I have the solution, and we are just one paragraph from it!
I also understand that the drop rate on these are most likely set very low intentionally to force players to use 5* citations on the cards once they get a single copy to make them useful, and my proposed solution has this addressed.
Since card selection beholds are limited to 3 options, once a 4th card is added, the 1st card should be removed from the voyage pool and made available for Crew Retrieval. This would accomplish the following:
1. The people who luck into a copy of the card early will still have a significant leg up on those who are unsuccessful and choose to retrieve a copy 9-12 months later.
2. It will ensure that any player who lucks into a legendary voyage exclusive behold will ALWAYS have a choice of 3 cards they can use.
3. It ensures that the whales with terrible RNG can eventually guarantee they get a copy of every card.
4. It still satisfies the 5* citation business model because a retrieved card is only 1/5 and will require citations. In fact, this decision might increase other purchases to speed up Crew Retrieval.
The only other solution I can think of is to drop the beholds all together and have the reward instead be an object called "Voyage Exclusive Token" which will allow players to claim a single copy of any voyage exclusive card in a new shop similar to the Honor Hall.
All I know is this system is broken now and with every new voyage exclusive card added it gets worse and worse, and I would like something done about it. Give us "Voyage Exclusive Tokens", retire old cards to Crew Retrieval, give us a means of improving our voyage RNG, give us SOMETHING. We are willing to put in the work to earn these cards but right now there is simply zero hope, and zero hope leads to atrophied interest.
Fully support Bylo Band suggested remedies. I have been fortunate and I am only missing the latest addition to the Voyage exclusive crew, but I can fully understand the frustration of continually missing out.
Seriously, do 5* cards still drop from voyages? I operate multiple accounts sending 12 hour (or longer) voyages daily and I am not convinced I have gotten a single 5* card from a voyage in 2024.
If anybody from WRG still reads this forum, I want it on record that I absolutely **tsk tsk** HATE everything about voyage exclusive 5* cards. I am only one person but I have been patient as hell, I've put in the work, this is not fun. It is also pointless. It is a needless pain generator. "Hey guys, check out this new card added to the voyage exclusive pool, the 3.1% of you that get this card are really going to love it!"
I’d say it’s a pain generator except my habits haven’t changed. I run voyages for honor and 4*’s. I run them as efficiently as I can because that gets you more honor and more 4*s.
Once in awhile I get a 5*. Sitting on six totals drops so far (5/5 black, 1/5 Chakotay).
I do not want to start a whole new thread for this and since it has an approximate 98% overlap this seems like as good a place as any but @STT Community, I think I have the solution which I will share at the conclusion of a short narrative piece with my usual flair.
The introduction of these cards was fun and I think most people applauded the initial idea and willingness to innovate, and somewhere between when the second and third voyage exclusive legendary cards were added "the team" listened to player feedback and allowed for a behold rather than a straight drop, so players could select the card they desired most. This was a good solution to an imperfect situation, but I believe most players appreciated this.
However, now that we have a 4th and soon to be a 5th (for all I know there already is a 5th, my last voyage exclusive legendary card was landed back in early January despite DAILY 12-16 hour voyages, but I digress) and there are people who still have not gotten Vori Defender Chakotay or Admiral Black, we have reached the tilting tipping point where fun has become pain. But as I said, I have the solution, and we are just one paragraph from it!
I also understand that the drop rate on these are most likely set very low intentionally to force players to use 5* citations on the cards once they get a single copy to make them useful, and my proposed solution has this addressed.
Since card selection beholds are limited to 3 options, once a 4th card is added, the 1st card should be removed from the voyage pool and made available for Crew Retrieval. This would accomplish the following:
1. The people who luck into a copy of the card early will still have a significant leg up on those who are unsuccessful and choose to retrieve a copy 9-12 months later.
2. It will ensure that any player who lucks into a legendary voyage exclusive behold will ALWAYS have a choice of 3 cards they can use.
3. It ensures that the whales with terrible RNG can eventually guarantee they get a copy of every card.
4. It still satisfies the 5* citation business model because a retrieved card is only 1/5 and will require citations. In fact, this decision might increase other purchases to speed up Crew Retrieval.
The only other solution I can think of is to drop the beholds all together and have the reward instead be an object called "Voyage Exclusive Token" which will allow players to claim a single copy of any voyage exclusive card in a new shop similar to the Honor Hall.
All I know is this system is broken now and with every new voyage exclusive card added it gets worse and worse, and I would like something done about it. Give us "Voyage Exclusive Tokens", retire old cards to Crew Retrieval, give us a means of improving our voyage RNG, give us SOMETHING. We are willing to put in the work to earn these cards but right now there is simply zero hope, and zero hope leads to atrophied interest.
This is a good idea.
The drop rate is *way* too low. At first, I thought this was great, but with how many crew there are, it should be an average of one drop every month or two. It is more like one every nine months. Seriously, it takes less time to make a baby than get one copy of the card.
@Bylo Band has it right. If you pass the older ones off to the available pool, it wouldn't seem like a horrible chore.
As it is, I don't put in any extra effort because I don't believe the extra effort will have even the remotest chance of helping. Instead of seeking to pay more resources or money to get the crew, I just keep on going. I can't believe that is what was intended.
Seriously, do 5* cards still drop from voyages? I operate multiple accounts sending 12 hour (or longer) voyages daily and I am not convinced I have gotten a single 5* card from a voyage in 2024.
If anybody from WRG still reads this forum, I want it on record that I absolutely **tsk tsk** HATE everything about voyage exclusive 5* cards. I am only one person but I have been patient as hell, I've put in the work, this is not fun. It is also pointless. It is a needless pain generator. "Hey guys, check out this new card added to the voyage exclusive pool, the 3.1% of you that get this card are really going to love it!"
I can confirm that 5* cards do still drop as I just got Grady a few days ago. However, I agree, the drop rate is way too low.
Seriously, do 5* cards still drop from voyages? I operate multiple accounts sending 12 hour (or longer) voyages daily and I am not convinced I have gotten a single 5* card from a voyage in 2024.
If anybody from WRG still reads this forum, I want it on record that I absolutely **tsk tsk** HATE everything about voyage exclusive 5* cards. I am only one person but I have been patient as hell, I've put in the work, this is not fun. It is also pointless. It is a needless pain generator. "Hey guys, check out this new card added to the voyage exclusive pool, the 3.1% of you that get this card are really going to love it!"
I got Chakotay yesterday at the 6 hour mark. After roughly 1400 dilemmas over almost a year, I now only have 2 of the legendary exclusives. That is a horrendous drop rate. Literally the only crew in the game I do not have are the remaining exclusives from voyages.
At the very least, anytime a new exclusive is added they should make the oldest one available, via the portal or something else. But I am all for other alternatives too.
I run 3 profiles with constant voyages and have had one drop this year. Having the same "luck" with gauntlet. Have had 3 drops this year but 2 (Omelet) in the same set of boxes.
No. I haven’t gotten a legendary voyage behold since April when I chose van Gelder. I have all the others though. I run 12 hour voyages every day. At this point I don’t care anymore. The ones I do have make my voyages on a pretty regular basis.
Currently the only crew I am missing are, Omet'Iklan (Gauntlet) and, Vori Defender Chakotay, Grady and Dr. Simon van Gelder (all Voyages). Bridge Worf again dropped twice during the past week.
I’ve had Grady and Black drop over the last couple of weeks. Only missing Gelder. Grady I had already immortalised with citations as he is a solid voyager so it was only 550 honor. Black drop added a third star. It was annoying that neither behold had Gelder given he is the most recent addition.
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So you're saying a freemium game designed a feature to entice players to spend money?
I never have and never will cite a card that drops somewhere {gauntlet/voyages). I made that decision a long time ago. I do not deviate from that. That isn't to say I don't spend elsewhere. I buy packs and dil and give them my cash in other ways, but I can wait forever to complete those crew.
With gauntlet you can use dil to really grind through and increase the odds of getting those exclusives. All you can really do on voyages is have good luck. From a business sense I’m not sure how that helps profits.
Only Grady currently missing now.
Edit: I should have mentioned for those new dilemmas.(not so new now)
From what others have reported, and from my own personal results, it looks like the "old" Dilemmas ONLY have a chance for the BeGold on the far right choice, and the "new" 12+ hour Dilemmas have a chance for the BeGold on the far left choice.
This, of course, could be confirmation bias. But, it has so far, as far as I have personally experienced and as far as I have seen others post, been that way.
That’s the way I understand. Still waiting for a chance for Simon van Gelder. I hit two Begolds in Gauntlet a couple of weeks and picked up two Ometi’klans
Good to know. Thank you. I've not hear this. I'll try it. My thanks.
Took SvG (but thought a really long time about choosing Chapel)
Simon is a good choice right now. Because of the month-long OE. Leveling TOS Crew is an Objective.
Congrats! Very jealous.
0.02% instead of 0.01%?
Just run 2 max voyages (41 dilema). No single 5*. Not first time...
I got Chapel, Black and Grady options,Twice. So I have 1 Chapel and 1 Admiral Black. After all of this time only 2 gold dilemma’s have I ever seen. I dont get 4* dilemma’s either. I get straight 3*& 4* drops where the wiki has designated a 4* or better dilemma.
Someone may have mentioned this elsewhere,
According to the wiki, Up to “x” times for a behold on most dilemma options. Ive used up my “x,y,z” amount of times before golds were ever released into voyages.
If the wiki is correct, this is likely the reason that very active players dont see them. There is a limit on how many times you get the designated behold. Therefore we are dis-advantaged with the behold RNG and possibility ratio being significantly lowered.
I've never gotten any of the 5*s from the voyages and now I haven't gotten any beholds from gauntlet since last year. Play daily have voyages out for days.. nada.
I've also noticed that the odds have ratcheted down for the $14.99 for 5 theme packs (like the current captain on the bridge one). I will no longer be purchasing those - as the last 4 times buying 3 of them I've gotten nothing from them and chased them with an additional 15 - 650 dil packs and gotten nothing.
Been really thinking hard about quitting the game. Bad on me for being a sucker and getting these. Bad on TP for jacking the odds. It is starting to not be fun.
The introduction of these cards was fun and I think most people applauded the initial idea and willingness to innovate, and somewhere between when the second and third voyage exclusive legendary cards were added "the team" listened to player feedback and allowed for a behold rather than a straight drop, so players could select the card they desired most. This was a good solution to an imperfect situation, but I believe most players appreciated this.
However, now that we have a 4th and soon to be a 5th (for all I know there already is a 5th, my last voyage exclusive legendary card was landed back in early January despite DAILY 12-16 hour voyages, but I digress) and there are people who still have not gotten Vori Defender Chakotay or Admiral Black, we have reached the tilting tipping point where fun has become pain. But as I said, I have the solution, and we are just one paragraph from it!
I also understand that the drop rate on these are most likely set very low intentionally to force players to use 5* citations on the cards once they get a single copy to make them useful, and my proposed solution has this addressed.
Since card selection beholds are limited to 3 options, once a 4th card is added, the 1st card should be removed from the voyage pool and made available for Crew Retrieval. This would accomplish the following:
1. The people who luck into a copy of the card early will still have a significant leg up on those who are unsuccessful and choose to retrieve a copy 9-12 months later.
2. It will ensure that any player who lucks into a legendary voyage exclusive behold will ALWAYS have a choice of 3 cards they can use.
3. It ensures that the whales with terrible RNG can eventually guarantee they get a copy of every card.
4. It still satisfies the 5* citation business model because a retrieved card is only 1/5 and will require citations. In fact, this decision might increase other purchases to speed up Crew Retrieval.
The only other solution I can think of is to drop the beholds all together and have the reward instead be an object called "Voyage Exclusive Token" which will allow players to claim a single copy of any voyage exclusive card in a new shop similar to the Honor Hall.
All I know is this system is broken now and with every new voyage exclusive card added it gets worse and worse, and I would like something done about it. Give us "Voyage Exclusive Tokens", retire old cards to Crew Retrieval, give us a means of improving our voyage RNG, give us SOMETHING. We are willing to put in the work to earn these cards but right now there is simply zero hope, and zero hope leads to atrophied interest.
If anybody from WRG still reads this forum, I want it on record that I absolutely **tsk tsk** HATE everything about voyage exclusive 5* cards. I am only one person but I have been patient as hell, I've put in the work, this is not fun. It is also pointless. It is a needless pain generator. "Hey guys, check out this new card added to the voyage exclusive pool, the 3.1% of you that get this card are really going to love it!"
Once in awhile I get a 5*. Sitting on six totals drops so far (5/5 black, 1/5 Chakotay).
This is a good idea.
The drop rate is *way* too low. At first, I thought this was great, but with how many crew there are, it should be an average of one drop every month or two. It is more like one every nine months. Seriously, it takes less time to make a baby than get one copy of the card.
@Bylo Band has it right. If you pass the older ones off to the available pool, it wouldn't seem like a horrible chore.
As it is, I don't put in any extra effort because I don't believe the extra effort will have even the remotest chance of helping. Instead of seeking to pay more resources or money to get the crew, I just keep on going. I can't believe that is what was intended.
I can confirm that 5* cards do still drop as I just got Grady a few days ago. However, I agree, the drop rate is way too low.
I got Chakotay yesterday at the 6 hour mark. After roughly 1400 dilemmas over almost a year, I now only have 2 of the legendary exclusives. That is a horrendous drop rate. Literally the only crew in the game I do not have are the remaining exclusives from voyages.
At the very least, anytime a new exclusive is added they should make the oldest one available, via the portal or something else. But I am all for other alternatives too.