A week without an event is a week for db with a much lower revenue income. Not much in it for db to take a week off. I will likely just do threshold and out. Many others will too. So it could be an opportunity for others to crack the top 1000 without having to have lots of great crew, just chrons and effort.
Try to remember that all the people who actually run this live in America, and if they can't guarantee coverage when something goes wrong during a regular weekend, expecting better than that on what is perhaps the biggest family holiday of the year is a bit of a stretch.
Yeah and DB is well known for fixing its bugs during the event...
OH wait it isn't they only know how to send sorrytons during the event.
I'm surprised at the negativity here. We can't expect a captain Spock every week, surely people realize that?
I think it is well planned to have a lower-participation event during a holiday for the Americans. No one is forcing you to participate after all.
Skipping an event needs to be a player choice. If DB does that for us, lots of people will complain about that too.
Although by now I fully expect the forums to break out the pitchforks and torches for any change. I myself welcome the new rewards structure and the other recent changes.
People asking for events to be missed or suspended during an American holiday is a bit selfish.
Try to remember the game is international and not every country celebrates your holidays.
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Quite. Any player is allowed to skip any event any time! Let’s dial back on “I don’t want an event this week so no one should have one”.
If you have FOMO then play. Or don’t. I was dubious about this blend when I saw it first. But on reflection it could be a nice easy free Odo, plus portal pulll and bags of chrons from the skirmish.
Bring it on!
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I'll grant that there are other, more troubling things afoot (GoTA closing, for instance, or the recent rash of incidents that speak to dwindling manpower at various levels), but interpreting the introduction of Captain Spock and the Enterprise-A as signs of desperation strikes me as misguided. Those much-requested items were obviously withheld, along with some prolific others, so as to extend the life of the game. Who'd look forward to events featuring Layla, Penk, or Michael Sullivan? DB was prudent to pace themselves.
People asking for events to be missed or suspended during an American holiday is a bit selfish.
Try to remember the game is international and not every country celebrates your holidays.
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Try to remember that all the people who actually run this live in America, and if they can't guarantee coverage when something goes wrong during a regular weekend, expecting better than that on what is perhaps the biggest family holiday of the year is a bit of a stretch.
I’m still playing the international card here.
As DB also depend on players/CUSTOMERS from the entire world to turn a profit to their enterprise, then they should cater for this eventuality.
Logic dictates that the needs of the many 🌍, out way the needs of the few, or the 1... country 🇺🇸
I am in Australia actually, have been here well over a decade, so I can see this from both sides. If you remember the game when it first came out, we somehow managed to survive without an event each and every weekend, so having an occasional one off is not much of an ask. :-)
I am also in Australia. We 'down under' are disadvantaged by the fact events start and finish at 4am local time. So unless I get up at 4am and stack shuttles I'm already off to a slow start trying to catch up by 8am. Last event I actually got up at 3am to do some grinding and went to bed at 3.30am ranked about 500, confident of a top 1k finish. When I woke up later in the morning the event had ended and I had dropped to rank 1111 in that last half hour. It seems pretty unfair.
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I agree that it's concerning that there will be reduced DB resources for this event, especially since the CS contractors are fairly problematic these days. I agree though that non-US players probably won't be too affected by the holiday and although I remember the time before events I think it's pretty standard now that we have them. By the same token, as a non-Christian I see no reason to skip events for Christmas or Easter.
On the upside for those of us in the states, at least it's less time sensitive than faction events. And if Thanksgiving causing you to miss the first 6 hours or so of a 96 hour competition is really that big of an issue some people (e.g., me) are going to have difficulty finding common understanding. As someone put it to me during the macros debates, you just have to accept it if life events are interfering with devoting your time resources to the game.
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People asking for events to be missed or suspended during an American holiday is a bit selfish.
Try to remember the game is international and not every country celebrates your holidays.
🏴🇬🇧🖖🏼
Try to remember that all the people who actually run this live in America, and if they can't guarantee coverage when something goes wrong during a regular weekend, expecting better than that on what is perhaps the biggest family holiday of the year is a bit of a stretch.
I’m still playing the international card here.
As DB also depend on players/CUSTOMERS from the entire world to turn a profit to their enterprise, then they should cater for this eventuality.
Logic dictates that the needs of the many 🌍, out way the needs of the few, or the 1... country 🇺🇸
I am in Australia actually, have been here well over a decade, so I can see this from both sides. If you remember the game when it first came out, we somehow managed to survive without an event each and every weekend, so having an occasional one off is not much of an ask. :-)
I am also in Australia. We 'down under' are disadvantaged by the fact events start and finish at 4am local time. So unless I get up at 4am and stack shuttles I'm already off to a slow start trying to catch up by 8am. Last event I actually got up at 3am to do some grinding and went to bed at 3.30am ranked about 500, confident of a top 1k finish. When I woke up later in the morning the event had ended and I had dropped to rank 1111 in that last half hour. It seems pretty unfair.
Would be interesting if DB changed event start a bit. Like six months a year events start at one time, six months a year it starts at 12 hours later. Or it would be cool if a few times a year DB had international events by starting those events at different times. DB could make a storyline involving unity or about starfleet security being on alert planet wide and DB could show our progress as we travel the globe. For these international events DB could have an event featuring the star trek crew or actors who were born in that time zone to those countries.
People asking for events to be missed or suspended during an American holiday is a bit selfish.
Try to remember the game is international and not every country celebrates your holidays.
🏴🇬🇧🖖🏼
Try to remember that all the people who actually run this live in America, and if they can't guarantee coverage when something goes wrong during a regular weekend, expecting better than that on what is perhaps the biggest family holiday of the year is a bit of a stretch.
I’m still playing the international card here.
As DB also depend on players/CUSTOMERS from the entire world to turn a profit to their enterprise, then they should cater for this eventuality.
Logic dictates that the needs of the many 🌍, out way the needs of the few, or the 1... country 🇺🇸
I like your point, and hello there from Canada! 🇨🇦
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People asking for events to be missed or suspended during an American holiday is a bit selfish.
Try to remember the game is international and not every country celebrates your holidays.
🏴🇬🇧🖖🏼
Try to remember that all the people who actually run this live in America, and if they can't guarantee coverage when something goes wrong during a regular weekend, expecting better than that on what is perhaps the biggest family holiday of the year is a bit of a stretch.
I’m still playing the international card here.
As DB also depend on players/CUSTOMERS from the entire world to turn a profit to their enterprise, then they should cater for this eventuality.
Logic dictates that the needs of the many 🌍, out way the needs of the few, or the 1... country 🇺🇸
I am in Australia actually, have been here well over a decade, so I can see this from both sides. If you remember the game when it first came out, we somehow managed to survive without an event each and every weekend, so having an occasional one off is not much of an ask. :-)
I am also in Australia. We 'down under' are disadvantaged by the fact events start and finish at 4am local time. So unless I get up at 4am and stack shuttles I'm already off to a slow start trying to catch up by 8am. Last event I actually got up at 3am to do some grinding and went to bed at 3.30am ranked about 500, confident of a top 1k finish. When I woke up later in the morning the event had ended and I had dropped to rank 1111 in that last half hour. It seems pretty unfair.
Maybe instead of just expanding the event rewards, they should also double the event and start 12 hours apart. You can pick one or the other (if you do shift work) and qualify for one of the two prize brackets. You give out 2 first prizes and squadron sharing can still be done but the rewards for everyone are handed out after the second event finished 12 hours later in case you run the early start but have squadron mates in the second part. You can do the same for Guantlet and this would make it fair for everyone. Daily reset and portal reset could remain the same.
I am also in Australia. We 'down under' are disadvantaged by the fact events start and finish at 4am local time. So unless I get up at 4am and stack shuttles I'm already off to a slow start trying to catch up by 8am. Last event I actually got up at 3am to do some grinding and went to bed at 3.30am ranked about 500, confident of a top 1k finish. When I woke up later in the morning the event had ended and I had dropped to rank 1111 in that last half hour. It seems pretty unfair.
As a USA resident, I do feel bad for our international friends when it comes to this issue. One the one hand, if you build (galaxy), send (faction), or battle (skirmish) as many times as anyone else in the world, you will finish at the same rank (ignoring bonus factors of course) no matter what the local time for your event is. But the reality is that certain parts of the world have an advantage of seeing where they stack up and thus knowing how many more point-generating things they need to do to beat the folks that have (rightfully so) gone to sleep. There are certainly some creative solutions to this, but as long as the employees that run the events are working in the US, it's hard to imagine that they will stagger the start/end times to interfere with their own mid-sleep periods.
So if they swapped this week's and next week's event would that have been better? Faction event checking your phone every 1.5/3 hours all weekend during a holiday, maybe getting up overnight, fighting for a new very popular Spock card and Coombs SR and Rare, vs a legendary nobody's heard of and a relatively unimportant new SR? Let the rest of us non-americans enjoy the bonus honor and take a break if you want to for your holiday.
How about NOT have an event for a week. Instead do a community-focused bonus including any of the following:
reduced chron cost to run missions
increased chron recharge rate
reduced cost to build/train characters (fewer credits, trainers go farther)
change drops in voyages (higher chance for chrons, honor, crew, etc)
change the rewards in gauntlet (higher chance of chrons, add in drops of honor, increase the credits/merits)
There are lots of ways to keep people engaged without an event.
Should events be shut down for every holiday? no? which ones?:
- Canadian Thanksgiving
- Saint-Jean-Baptiste Day
- Labor Day
- Easter
- Christmas
- Boxing Day
- Remembrance/Veterans Day
- Canada Day
- 4th of July
- New Years Day
- Early May
- Spring Bank Holiday
- Summer Bank Holiday
- St. Patrick's Day
- Diwali
- Hanukkah
- Day of the Dead
- Obon
- Ramadan
- National Holidays for most countries independence from Britain
I am also in Australia. We 'down under' are disadvantaged by the fact events start and finish at 4am local time. So unless I get up at 4am and stack shuttles I'm already off to a slow start trying to catch up by 8am. Last event I actually got up at 3am to do some grinding and went to bed at 3.30am ranked about 500, confident of a top 1k finish. When I woke up later in the morning the event had ended and I had dropped to rank 1111 in that last half hour. It seems pretty unfair.
As a USA resident, I do feel bad for our international friends when it comes to this issue. One the one hand, if you build (galaxy), send (faction), or battle (skirmish) as many times as anyone else in the world, you will finish at the same rank (ignoring bonus factors of course) no matter what the local time for your event is. But the reality is that certain parts of the world have an advantage of seeing where they stack up and thus knowing how many more point-generating things they need to do to beat the folks that have (rightfully so) gone to sleep. There are certainly some creative solutions to this, but as long as the employees that run the events are working in the US, it's hard to imagine that they will stagger the start/end times to interfere with their own mid-sleep periods.
Really? Because we in Europe have a massive advantage in events. They start and end in 5 pm or 6 pm.
The only thing that is mildly annoying is gauntlet which ends in 1 am.
ME: "Caolan in the fleet chat said ya' could give me ma' old ship in this event. Lemme see it."
DB: "Insufficient data. Please specify parameters."
ME: "The Enterprise! Show me the bridge of the Enterprise, ya' chatterin' piece of..."
DB: "There have been five Federation ships with that name. Please specify by registry number."
ME: "NCC-1701. No bloody A, B, C, or D."
DB: "Lol, nope"
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A 4am start and finish is a significant disadvantage in faction events. The leaderboard is well advanced by the time I have finished my quickstart, and I finish my last set of shuttles at 12-1 am, that's 3 sets of shuttles or potentially 48,000VP to make up.
This is slightly offset by the fact I only do 3 sets of overnighters, so I guess that's 16,000VP off that deficit, making it 32,000VP. Technically that 32,000VP is less well boosted so more likely to fail, but it's still 32,000VP potential missed.
To make that up costs 16 time boosts (8 extra shuttles) or nowadays 8 shuttle requisition tokens.
That's just to remain on par with other players in the US who do a quickstart and send regular shuttles on a timer.
Interestingly, last time a fleet mate shared ranked position with me I was pretty much exactly 30,000VP behind them.
This is one reason why threshold rewards are so interesting to me. I can reach the new threshold with a small amount of extra effort, and the rewards are pretty solid. I hope they do something similar with Galaxies and Skirmishes as the pressure will be off for most of them. Chasing 1000 for skirmishes is no problem for me; I play lots and well above the ranked for most of the game. For galaxies though, that late turn-in screws up my ability to anticipate what the ranked VP actually is. I can be doing really well the entire event and still lose. And I get nothing for it. A consolation prize of a premium pull, some honor, and a voyage extension token is well worth the extra effort I put in and doesn't make failing QUITE so bad.
DB could in fact, attempt to offset this disadvantage by gifting players in certain time zones 8 extra SRT's at the start of every faction event. It's not perfect, because SRT's are likely to fail more frequently as they aren't likely to have event crew, but it would go some way to help offset the disadvantage some players have.
For galaxies though, that late turn-in screws up my ability to anticipate what the ranked VP actually is. I can be doing really well the entire event and still lose. And I get nothing for it. A consolation prize of a premium pull, some honor, and a voyage extension token is well worth the extra effort I put in and doesn't make failing QUITE so bad.
They could fix up the sniping at the end of Galaxy event by making collection of SR's mandatory when earned.
For galaxies though, that late turn-in screws up my ability to anticipate what the ranked VP actually is. I can be doing really well the entire event and still lose. And I get nothing for it. A consolation prize of a premium pull, some honor, and a voyage extension token is well worth the extra effort I put in and doesn't make failing QUITE so bad.
They could fix up the sniping at the end of Galaxy event by making collection of SR's mandatory when earned.
For galaxies though, that late turn-in screws up my ability to anticipate what the ranked VP actually is. I can be doing really well the entire event and still lose. And I get nothing for it. A consolation prize of a premium pull, some honor, and a voyage extension token is well worth the extra effort I put in and doesn't make failing QUITE so bad.
They could fix up the sniping at the end of Galaxy event by making collection of SR's mandatory when earned.
They could indeed. Last time I suggested it I got squeals of horror from many players who enjoy a good old snipe and generally got shouted down. I was kind of hoping that players have become more kind-hearted towards those of us at serious disadvantage
For galaxies though, that late turn-in screws up my ability to anticipate what the ranked VP actually is. I can be doing really well the entire event and still lose. And I get nothing for it. A consolation prize of a premium pull, some honor, and a voyage extension token is well worth the extra effort I put in and doesn't make failing QUITE so bad.
They could fix up the sniping at the end of Galaxy event by making collection of SR's mandatory when earned.
They could indeed. Last time I suggested it I got squeals of horror from many players who enjoy a good old snipe and generally got shouted down. I was kind of hoping that players have become more kind-hearted towards those of us at serious disadvantage
I'm not against the idea, but I'm not sure if it would make things easier for people who are asleep or at work during the last hours of those events. Everyone else could just keep building exactly as much as they need to overtake them in the leaderboards.
For galaxies though, that late turn-in screws up my ability to anticipate what the ranked VP actually is. I can be doing really well the entire event and still lose. And I get nothing for it. A consolation prize of a premium pull, some honor, and a voyage extension token is well worth the extra effort I put in and doesn't make failing QUITE so bad.
They could fix up the sniping at the end of Galaxy event by making collection of SR's mandatory when earned.
They could indeed. Last time I suggested it I got squeals of horror from many players who enjoy a good old snipe and generally got shouted down. I was kind of hoping that players have become more kind-hearted towards those of us at serious disadvantage
I'm not against the idea, but I'm not sure if it would make things easier for people who are asleep or at work during the last hours of those events. Everyone else could just keep building exactly as much as they need to overtake them in the leaderboards.
The difference is that you can't hide 200k worth of victory points for the last hour so that players at a disadvantage time wise can't gauge where the game is heading. All the other event formats don't have this little nuance and galaxy events don't need it either.
For galaxies though, that late turn-in screws up my ability to anticipate what the ranked VP actually is. I can be doing really well the entire event and still lose. And I get nothing for it. A consolation prize of a premium pull, some honor, and a voyage extension token is well worth the extra effort I put in and doesn't make failing QUITE so bad.
They could fix up the sniping at the end of Galaxy event by making collection of SR's mandatory when earned.
They could indeed. Last time I suggested it I got squeals of horror from many players who enjoy a good old snipe and generally got shouted down. I was kind of hoping that players have become more kind-hearted towards those of us at serious disadvantage
I'm not against the idea, but I'm not sure if it would make things easier for people who are asleep or at work during the last hours of those events. Everyone else could just keep building exactly as much as they need to overtake them in the leaderboards.
I think any change that reduces our ways to use strategy is just further tipping the game in favour of the big spenders. I don't object to whales occupying all the top spots - but I do want to feel I can duke it out down the board. Strategy is the only way. For true FTP players this is even more true. Preventing sniping is not a good move in my book.
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I would agree that it should be mandatory to turn them in, either constantly, or preferably after the change of phase. If the change is made, it needs to be automatic that they are turned in, not the players choice.
The big problem I see there is the counters. Being able to see how many you have still gives a strong metric to what you can gain with it. If you only knew that you could turn in but not how many you've stockpiled you could blindly continue building knowing you're getting somewhere but that's all.
Maybe that's a stupid idea, but it's an alternative anyway.
I have full intention of not competing for this legendary character that I had to consult Memory Alpha for. I'll clear thresholds with the skirmish phase and enjoy my weekend.
I think if Pabst was the 5*, this event would have more interest.
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Yeah and DB is well known for fixing its bugs during the event...
OH wait it isn't they only know how to send sorrytons during the event.
I think it is well planned to have a lower-participation event during a holiday for the Americans. No one is forcing you to participate after all.
Skipping an event needs to be a player choice. If DB does that for us, lots of people will complain about that too.
Although by now I fully expect the forums to break out the pitchforks and torches for any change. I myself welcome the new rewards structure and the other recent changes.
Quite. Any player is allowed to skip any event any time! Let’s dial back on “I don’t want an event this week so no one should have one”.
If you have FOMO then play. Or don’t. I was dubious about this blend when I saw it first. But on reflection it could be a nice easy free Odo, plus portal pulll and bags of chrons from the skirmish.
Bring it on!
I am also in Australia. We 'down under' are disadvantaged by the fact events start and finish at 4am local time. So unless I get up at 4am and stack shuttles I'm already off to a slow start trying to catch up by 8am. Last event I actually got up at 3am to do some grinding and went to bed at 3.30am ranked about 500, confident of a top 1k finish. When I woke up later in the morning the event had ended and I had dropped to rank 1111 in that last half hour. It seems pretty unfair.
I agree that it's concerning that there will be reduced DB resources for this event, especially since the CS contractors are fairly problematic these days. I agree though that non-US players probably won't be too affected by the holiday and although I remember the time before events I think it's pretty standard now that we have them. By the same token, as a non-Christian I see no reason to skip events for Christmas or Easter.
On the upside for those of us in the states, at least it's less time sensitive than faction events. And if Thanksgiving causing you to miss the first 6 hours or so of a 96 hour competition is really that big of an issue some people (e.g., me) are going to have difficulty finding common understanding. As someone put it to me during the macros debates, you just have to accept it if life events are interfering with devoting your time resources to the game.
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I like your point, and hello there from Canada! 🇨🇦
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Maybe instead of just expanding the event rewards, they should also double the event and start 12 hours apart. You can pick one or the other (if you do shift work) and qualify for one of the two prize brackets. You give out 2 first prizes and squadron sharing can still be done but the rewards for everyone are handed out after the second event finished 12 hours later in case you run the early start but have squadron mates in the second part. You can do the same for Guantlet and this would make it fair for everyone. Daily reset and portal reset could remain the same.
As a USA resident, I do feel bad for our international friends when it comes to this issue. One the one hand, if you build (galaxy), send (faction), or battle (skirmish) as many times as anyone else in the world, you will finish at the same rank (ignoring bonus factors of course) no matter what the local time for your event is. But the reality is that certain parts of the world have an advantage of seeing where they stack up and thus knowing how many more point-generating things they need to do to beat the folks that have (rightfully so) gone to sleep. There are certainly some creative solutions to this, but as long as the employees that run the events are working in the US, it's hard to imagine that they will stagger the start/end times to interfere with their own mid-sleep periods.
you forgot one:
Really? Because we in Europe have a massive advantage in events. They start and end in 5 pm or 6 pm.
The only thing that is mildly annoying is gauntlet which ends in 1 am.
DB: "Insufficient data. Please specify parameters."
ME: "The Enterprise! Show me the bridge of the Enterprise, ya' chatterin' piece of..."
DB: "There have been five Federation ships with that name. Please specify by registry number."
ME: "NCC-1701. No bloody A, B, C, or D."
DB: "Lol, nope"
(...i am not complaining, just being Scotty) ....aaaand am happy that we´ll have 5* enterprise
That is highly subjective. I am in Europe and 6 pm ending for event is not advantage for me because I am always on a job in last hours of event
This is slightly offset by the fact I only do 3 sets of overnighters, so I guess that's 16,000VP off that deficit, making it 32,000VP. Technically that 32,000VP is less well boosted so more likely to fail, but it's still 32,000VP potential missed.
To make that up costs 16 time boosts (8 extra shuttles) or nowadays 8 shuttle requisition tokens.
That's just to remain on par with other players in the US who do a quickstart and send regular shuttles on a timer.
Interestingly, last time a fleet mate shared ranked position with me I was pretty much exactly 30,000VP behind them.
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They could fix up the sniping at the end of Galaxy event by making collection of SR's mandatory when earned.
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They could indeed. Last time I suggested it I got squeals of horror from many players who enjoy a good old snipe and generally got shouted down. I was kind of hoping that players have become more kind-hearted towards those of us at serious disadvantage
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I'm not against the idea, but I'm not sure if it would make things easier for people who are asleep or at work during the last hours of those events. Everyone else could just keep building exactly as much as they need to overtake them in the leaderboards.
The difference is that you can't hide 200k worth of victory points for the last hour so that players at a disadvantage time wise can't gauge where the game is heading. All the other event formats don't have this little nuance and galaxy events don't need it either.
I think any change that reduces our ways to use strategy is just further tipping the game in favour of the big spenders. I don't object to whales occupying all the top spots - but I do want to feel I can duke it out down the board. Strategy is the only way. For true FTP players this is even more true. Preventing sniping is not a good move in my book.
Maybe that's a stupid idea, but it's an alternative anyway.
I think if Pabst was the 5*, this event would have more interest.